Worst Argument For Keeping Tomlin

[CKSteeler]

It's the one put forth by some schmuck named Ryan Wilson today that "you better have a plan B" or basically saying you could do worse and end up pining for the days of 9-8 seasons.

No, mother fucker, I'd rather the team was terrible for a decade straight and trying to reach greater heights than be stuck in purgatory. Yes, I'd rather they were the Browns at this point at least for a little while. The Steelers aren't relevant right now. They're a bigger joke than the laughing stocks of the league. A team that at 4-1 with a 1-5 divisional rival that was favored to win the division over them.

This shit has been going on so long that EVERYONE knows what the result of the season will be and no one actually fucking cares. Many fans have been through lean times and stuck by their teams, but are tuning the fuck out with this rerun over and over again.

Tomlin was just out classed by a rookie head coach who everyone and their mother wanted to hire, but you still have assholes saying "bUta WhO wILLL U rEplAcacE HiM wItH???/?/1/1`1??

Fucking mouth breather argument.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

It's the one put forth by some schmuck named Ryan Wilson today that "you better have a plan B" or basically saying you could do worse and end up pining for the days of 9-8 seasons.

No, mother fucker, I'd rather the team was terrible for a decade straight and trying to reach greater heights than be stuck in purgatory. Yes, I'd rather they were the Browns at this point at least for a little while. The Steelers aren't relevant right now. They're a bigger joke than the laughing stocks of the league. A team that at 4-1 with a 1-5 divisional rival that was favored to win the division over them.

This shit has been going on so long that EVERYONE knows what the result of the season will be and no one actually fucking cares. Many fans have been through lean times and stuck by their teams, but are tuning the fuck out with this rerun over and over again.

Tomlin was just out classed by a rookie head coach who everyone and their mother wanted to hire, but you still have assholes saying "bUta WhO wILLL U rEplAcacE HiM wItH???/?/1/1`1??

Fucking mouth breather argument.

Tomlins gestapo corp

[955876]

Tomlin was just out classed by a rookie head coach who everyone and their mother wanted to hire, but you still have assholes saying "bUta WhO wILLL U rEplAcacE HiM wItH???/?/1/1`1??

If Dunce wasn’t a complete lazy fuck that is just tickled pink that Jibbs is our HC he would have brought I. Johnson when we had the chance.

Chicago tried to go full stupid and wanted to trade for Jibbs. We should have jumped all over that. Given them Nibba Jabber for whatever they were willing to give us for his useless ass.

We then hire Ben Johnson and let him know he has all the time he needs to build his team.

Tell him to hire a stud DC because defense is inportant here.

Pair Rogers with DK, Pickens, and the rest of our offense and I guarantee our offense is waaaaaay fucking better than it is now.

Wed likely have a stranglehold on the division already after Baltimore’s 1-5 start.

Meanwhile, Chicago wouldn’t be leading their divisions and Caleb Williams would be playing like shit.

But Dunce is a scared cunt.

I’m f he is n charge when Jibbs goes he will hire a defensive HC no better than Jibba.

Book it.

[CKSteeler]

This was a hiring cycle with two really strong candidates. Johnson, everyone's hot hire, but also Vrabel. A guy who ostensibly fits the culture they want to the letter. Played here.

It's so asinine to suggest that Tomlin couldn't be replaced. Maybe the next coach isn't and doesn't have to be here for 15 fucking years, either. Coaches have a shelf life. Even if you want to argue Tomlin was once a top coach, he quite clearly isn't at this point. He has his strengths, but schematically and philosophically the league has left him behind. It's painfully obvious and has been for some time.

Tomlin is a dinosaur who has proven he can't really evolve as a coach.

[955876]

This was a hiring cycle with two really strong candidates. Johnson, everyone's hot hire, but also Vrabel. A guy who ostensibly fits the culture they want to the letter. Played here.

It's so asinine to suggest that Tomlin couldn't be replaced. Maybe the next coach isn't and doesn't have to be here for 15 fucking years, either. Coaches have a shelf life. Even if you want to argue Tomlin was once a top coach, he quite clearly isn't at this point. He has his strengths, but schematically and philosophically the league has left him behind. It's painfully obvious and has been for some time.

Tomlin is a dinosaur who has proven he can't really evolve as a coach.

100%.

I wanted Johnson but would take Vrabel in a heartbeat over the lame dipshit we have now. Soooooo fucking out of his league.

It’s a shame because it’s such an easy fix. Like ummm, just hire better coordinators you dumb fuck.

I bout puked when they said during the broadcast this past week that when asking Jibbs bout our “heavy” package he proclaimed something along the lines of “it’s who we are, it’s what we do, it’s not going anywhere”.

The only thing not going anywhere you dumb fuck is your offense. Once again you field one of the most impotent offenses in football. By fucking choice.

It’s pathetic this cunt peacocks and thumps his chest over “this is who we are” when who they are is pathetic.

Is there a coach more detached from reality than our resident cunt?

[Deebo]

This was a hiring cycle with two really strong candidates. Johnson, everyone's hot hire, but also Vrabel. A guy who ostensibly fits the culture they want to the letter. Played here.

It's so asinine to suggest that Tomlin couldn't be replaced. Maybe the next coach isn't and doesn't have to be here for 15 fucking years, either. Coaches have a shelf life. Even if you want to argue Tomlin was once a top coach, he quite clearly isn't at this point. He has his strengths, but schematically and philosophically the league has left him behind. It's painfully obvious and has been for some time.

Tomlin is a dinosaur who has proven he can't really evolve as a coach.

My responses to these idiots is: who was Tomlin in 2006? A relative unknown. So find the next Tomlin...it won't be that difficult

[K_C_]

I honestely can't find any Tomlin defenders anywhere.

[Steelafan77]

The problem is with the fraudlin philosophy of “protecting the ball by not turning it over”.

This very conservative approach for the offense has created a limited approach by removing the middle of the field schematically.

This is “dinosaur, conservative, playing in your fears” call it what you want; it’s not modern football philosophy and is flawed.

Throwing the ball conservatively is problematic when it’s a predictable pass play to the sidelines limiting upside for success.

The way the rules have been implemented over the last 20 years the middle of the field actually has a better chance of success.

Some are gonna say they don’t have the Jonnie’s/joes to design these plays with any real chance and the risk isn’t worth the reward.

To them I ask, how would you know that when just about every play design is to a screen pass or quick out short of the sticks?

The only pattern [usually] passed the sticks is to the sidelines where they result in lower upside; unless you have a DK/George Pickens.

The lack of aggressiveness on offense is painfully scheme/philosophy related; even with coordinator changes there’s one commonality.

Teams know these tendencies and often successfully predict the playcalling. Change is required if the desired result is to be more successful.

Either fraudlin changes philosophy or Steelers ownership changes philosophy. Either way a change has to be made.

[Deebo]

I honestely can't find any Tomlin defenders anywhere.

There is at least 1 Tomlin or Steelers paid PR man on this site. It's clear who it is

[Deebo]

The problem is with the fraudlin philosophy of “protecting the ball by not turning it over”.

This very conservative approach for the offense has created a limited approach by removing the middle of the field schematically.

This is “dinosaur, conservative, playing in your fears” call it what you want; it’s not modern football philosophy and is flawed.

Throwing the ball conservatively is problematic when it’s a predictable pass play to the sidelines limiting upside for success.

The way the rules have been implemented over the last 20 years the middle of the field actually has a better chance of success.

Some are gonna say they don’t have the Jonnie’s/joes to design these plays with any real chance and the risk isn’t worth the reward.

To them I ask, how would you know that when just about every play design is to a screen pass or quick out short of the sticks?

The only pattern [usually] passed the sticks is to the sidelines where they result in lower upside; unless you have a DK/George Pickens.

The lack of aggressiveness on offense is painfully scheme/philosophy related; even with coordinator changes there’s one commonality.

Teams know these tendencies and often successfully predict the playcalling. Change is required if the desired result is to be more successful.

Either fraudlin changes philosophy or Steelers ownership changes philosophy. Either way a change has to be made.

Here is Tomlin's philosophy to winning:

1. Offense can't make any turnovers
2. Defense has to force 1 or 2 and limit the opposing team to ~20 points
3. Any drive that ends in a kick is a good one

This is what I call "living on the margins". Meaning you've left little room for error or deviation in order to win.

So what happens when your backup QB turns it over twice, like what happened last week?
What happens when your defense doesn't get 1 turnover?
What happens if your reliable kicker has to kick in a snowstorm?

Tomlin has created this paradigm that there is 1 way to achieve a win. If any of those 3 factors go off-kilter he has no plan B.
He admitted as much about "not being comfortable with shootouts".

He makes zero contingency plans for the game to unfold in various ways. Rarely does the game go as you expect it would. That's why good coaches adjust and adapt to changing circumstances. Tomlin can't be bothered with those pesky details.

[CoolShades]

This was a hiring cycle with two really strong candidates. Johnson, everyone's hot hire, but also Vrabel. A guy who ostensibly fits the culture they want to the letter. Played here.

It's so asinine to suggest that Tomlin couldn't be replaced. Maybe the next coach isn't and doesn't have to be here for 15 fucking years, either. Coaches have a shelf life. Even if you want to argue Tomlin was once a top coach, he quite clearly isn't at this point. He has his strengths, but schematically and philosophically the league has left him behind. It's painfully obvious and has been for some time.

Tomlin is a dinosaur who has proven he can't really evolve as a coach.

My responses to these idiots is: who was Tomlin in 2006? A relative unknown. So find the next Tomlin...it won't be that difficult

I’ve has this conversation too. It’s even worse when you dig into Tomlin’s resume. He was a DB coach for 8 YEARS on Tampa Bay before he got the DC job with Minnesota, 8 years in the same job and could never move up... until for some reason, the Vikings gave him a chance. And if you look at the Vikings defense in that one year under Mediocre Mike, they were not that good. The team finished under .500 and his defense was in the bottom half of the league if I remember correctly. In other words, he wasn’t a very good DC.

But the Steelers interviewed him after that one less-than-mediocre season and fell in love. I suspect he fondled Art the Lesser’s balls under the conference table and that was it. Or, he said a couple of his best Tomlinisms and gave the old billionaires a chubby. He was exactly what the Rooney’s were looking for. He was their Johnny Bravo. He fit the suit.

They could easily find their next Noll or Cowher. Those guys are out there. Young guys, busting their asses, learning the ins and outs of modern football, and they would be a tremendous upgrade.

Just hire the best candidate this time, not another Johnny Bravo.

[Orangesteel]

If someone makes this argument in my presence I typically resort to violence.

[Deebo]

Coincidently, I just came across this article (I'm an Org Development nerd) . Essentially it purports the idea that Leaders should surround themselves with others who think differently. Couldn't help but think of all the yes men Tomlin surrounds himself with and no one challenges Tomlin

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy ... nt-fix-it/

[.Kodiak]

Tomlin's only real success in this league (sorry NHALS) was 2 SB runs very early in his career....with Cowher's players and coaches. He was handed success and never improved/developed.

FIFTEEN years since then it's been below average. Some good teams, but just one trip to the AFCC.

[W&M_Steeler]

I honestely can't find any Tomlin defenders anywhere.

Go to Steelers Reddit to find some Tomlin true believers. They blame Ben for everything that's happened the past 10 years.

[Deebo]

I honestely can't find any Tomlin defenders anywhere.

Go to Steelers Reddit to find some Tomlin true believers. They blame Ben for everything that's happened the past 10 years.

Yea at first I thought there was a significant portion of the fan base who still hated Ben for his sexual proclivities.
But now I've come to realization that bringing down Ben deflects from Tomlin's shitty coaching

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

Take it for what it’s worth

https://x.com/steelersdepot/status/1993 ... 18447?s=42

His nastiness the past month during the pressers maybe a tell.

Trai Essex also speaking out against Tomlins 1960s scheme
https://x.com/theponiexpress/status/199 ... 99057?s=42

Yesterday it was Harrison

Ex players pointing finger at the fraud

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

to the Josina Anderson tweet - hey Santa!!

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

This reply to a real scheme question should be the basis of his ouster

https://x.com/mysportsupdate/status/199 ... 06604?s=42

[Deebo]

Take it for what it’s worth

https://x.com/steelersdepot/status/1993 ... 18447?s=42

His nastiness the past month during the pressers maybe a tell.

Trai Essex also speaking out against Tomlins 1960s scheme
https://x.com/theponiexpress/status/199 ... 99057?s=42

Yesterday it was Harrison

Ex players pointing finger at the fraud

I was ecstatic for an entire week when Sullivan was fired by the Pens in April
If Tomlin leaves, I'll probably cream my pants

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

Take it for what it’s worth

https://x.com/steelersdepot/status/1993 ... 18447?s=42

His nastiness the past month during the pressers maybe a tell.

Trai Essex also speaking out against Tomlins 1960s scheme
https://x.com/theponiexpress/status/199 ... 99057?s=42

Yesterday it was Harrison

Ex players pointing finger at the fraud

I was ecstatic for an entire week when Sullivan was fired by the Pens in April
If Tomlin leaves, I'll probably cream my pants

we will all be raising glasses

[LakecrestSteeler]

The problem is with the fraudlin philosophy of “protecting the ball by not turning it over”.

This very conservative approach for the offense has created a limited approach by removing the middle of the field schematically.

This is “dinosaur, conservative, playing in your fears” call it what you want; it’s not modern football philosophy and is flawed.

Throwing the ball conservatively is problematic when it’s a predictable pass play to the sidelines limiting upside for success.

The way the rules have been implemented over the last 20 years the middle of the field actually has a better chance of success.

Some are gonna say they don’t have the Jonnie’s/joes to design these plays with any real chance and the risk isn’t worth the reward.

To them I ask, how would you know that when just about every play design is to a screen pass or quick out short of the sticks?

The only pattern [usually] passed the sticks is to the sidelines where they result in lower upside; unless you have a DK/George Pickens.

The lack of aggressiveness on offense is painfully scheme/philosophy related; even with coordinator changes there’s one commonality.

Teams know these tendencies and often successfully predict the playcalling. Change is required if the desired result is to be more successful.

Either fraudlin changes philosophy or Steelers ownership changes philosophy. Either way a change has to be made.

Or said another way...Obviously Tomlin was molested by "a" when he was a little boy? Or he must have lost his virginity to "b" and "c"?

Does he understand that "a" is the shortest distance between where you are and where you are going? With the QB throwing at either end of "a" depending on the play, does he understand that "b" and "c" actually have more risk and require more skill on the part of the QB because the distance is further, and the time required is longer.

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"a" is your TE routes..they are big and safe in terms of risk.
"a" is your quick slants and button hooks by really quick and fast WRs....it is safe Mikey!

"b" takes forever and the reward is not worth the risk! Mikey there can be fumbles when they drop an inadvertent lateral...RISK! And it is SOFA KING boring!

"c" takes the most time to complete, requires the biggest QB arm to reduce time in air, and requires the most skill and timing by your QB and WR.

Tomlin...please watch a geometry lesson, read about Pythagorean, and get with a State Farm agent to teach you about risk!

[langer]

Leaders should surround themselves with others who think differently.

How long could someone with half a brain and a desire to achieve last with Captain Cliche?

Not that fuckin long!

Imagine having to take orders from that asshole. Pure hell.

[Deebo]

The problem is with the fraudlin philosophy of “protecting the ball by not turning it over”.

This very conservative approach for the offense has created a limited approach by removing the middle of the field schematically.

This is “dinosaur, conservative, playing in your fears” call it what you want; it’s not modern football philosophy and is flawed.

Throwing the ball conservatively is problematic when it’s a predictable pass play to the sidelines limiting upside for success.

The way the rules have been implemented over the last 20 years the middle of the field actually has a better chance of success.

Some are gonna say they don’t have the Jonnie’s/joes to design these plays with any real chance and the risk isn’t worth the reward.

To them I ask, how would you know that when just about every play design is to a screen pass or quick out short of the sticks?

The only pattern [usually] passed the sticks is to the sidelines where they result in lower upside; unless you have a DK/George Pickens.

The lack of aggressiveness on offense is painfully scheme/philosophy related; even with coordinator changes there’s one commonality.

Teams know these tendencies and often successfully predict the playcalling. Change is required if the desired result is to be more successful.

Either fraudlin changes philosophy or Steelers ownership changes philosophy. Either way a change has to be made.

Or said another way...Obviously Tomlin was molested by "a" when he was a little boy? Or he must have lost his virginity to "b" and "c"?

Does he understand that "a" is the shortest distance between where you are and where you are going? With the QB throwing at either end of "a" depending on the play, does he understand that "b" and "c" actually have more risk and require more skill on the part of the QB because the distance is further, and the time required is longer.

p0dn469t.png

"a" is your TE routes..they are big and safe in terms of risk.
"a" is your quick slants and button hooks by really quick and fast WRs....it is safe Mikey!

"b" takes forever and the reward is not worth the risk! Mikey there can be fumbles when they drop an inadvertent lateral...RISK! And it is SOFA KING boring!

"c" takes the most time to complete, requires the biggest QB arm to reduce time in air, and requires the most skill and timing by your QB and WR.

Tomlin...please watch a geometry lesson, read about Pythagorean, and get with a State Farm agent to teach you about risk!

I have a feeling Tomlin doesn't like math. Bc what you explain is precisely what I don't understand with his "avoid the MOF" approach. Shorter distance is generally an easier throw.

Tomlin goes by feelings and not facts though so we've got that going for us....

[langer]

What's funny is the folks who say Tomlin will only leave when he wants to so shut up and don't criticize him might be really wrong. All the negativity is building and it might cause him to jump ship to somewhere.

[Steeldrama]

There is no argument for keeping Tomlin

But

We all know why Rooney keeps him.

Rooney by all accounts was more interested in being a lawyer than owner.

He agreed to be owner out a sense of duty to his last name.

Dan and a couple other Rooney’s were passionate about football and winning

Driven

If you’re not passionate about what you’re doing chances are pretty good you’re not going to get much further than mediocre

So yeah

Rooney hangs his hat on mediocrity

Holds his head up high for a job….done.

Rooney rule Mike and NHALS aren’t Lombardis but in his mind, Art didn’t fail the family

[Ice]

There is no argument for keeping Tomlin

But

We all know why Rooney keeps him.

Rooney by all accounts was more interested in being a lawyer than owner.

He agreed to be owner out a sense of duty to his last name.

Dan and a couple other Rooney’s were passionate about football and winning

Driven

If you’re not passionate about what you’re doing chances are pretty good you’re not going to get much further than mediocre

So yeah

Rooney hangs his hat on mediocrity

Holds his head up high for a job….done.

Rooney rule Mike and NHALS aren’t Lombardis but in his mind, Art didn’t fail the family

Sad, but 100% true.

[langer]

Is Coach T doing anything to improve this?

[steelmann58]

I replied to him and ask him did he ever hear of Cowher when the steelers hired him to replace Coach Noll?
or did he hear of Tomlin when he replaced Bill?

[AirRescueFF]

This was a hiring cycle with two really strong candidates. Johnson, everyone's hot hire, but also Vrabel. A guy who ostensibly fits the culture they want to the letter. Played here.

It's so asinine to suggest that Tomlin couldn't be replaced. Maybe the next coach isn't and doesn't have to be here for 15 fucking years, either. Coaches have a shelf life. Even if you want to argue Tomlin was once a top coach, he quite clearly isn't at this point. He has his strengths, but schematically and philosophically the league has left him behind. It's painfully obvious and has been for some time.

Tomlin is a dinosaur who has proven he can't really evolve as a coach.

100%.

I wanted Johnson but would take Vrabel in a heartbeat over the lame dipshit we have now. Soooooo fucking out of his league.

It’s a shame because it’s such an easy fix. Like ummm, just hire better coordinators you dumb fuck.

I bout puked when they said during the broadcast this past week that when asking Jibbs bout our “heavy” package he proclaimed something along the lines of “it’s who we are, it’s what we do, it’s not going anywhere”.

The only thing not going anywhere you dumb fuck is your offense. Once again you field one of the most impotent offenses in football. By fucking choice.

It’s pathetic this cunt peacocks and thumps his chest over “this is who we are” when who they are is pathetic.

Is there a coach more detached from reality than our resident cunt?

It's from the same mentality he got so butthurt for being called a cheerleader.