Nice Tomlin Stat

[Stillerz Bar]

Saw this stat today

The Steelers are now 57-4 when leading by at least 10 points at any time in a game under Mike Tomlin.

Not Cowher "when leading by 11" numbers but pretty darn close.

In addition, overall he is 76-44 in the regular season (.633) and 5-3 in the post season (.625). I know that Ben has played a large roll in his record but that can be said for a lot of coaches - good QB = good record for the coach but not every coach with a good QB wins.

I am neither a Tomin apologist nor a hater - there are plenty of times his decisions make me crazy but these numbers are pretty darn good.

Queue the haters.........

[Steelknife]

Tomlin has a great body of work.

It is the downward trend that concerns his critics.

But two wins...maybe we've turned a corner. Next week is telling.

[Legacy User]

b b b....But...hes a potted plant

He doesnt know the bellboy equation

Lets wait and see what he does on the sideline this Sunday

[Legacy User]

The league is different now. 10 points is nothing. In Cowhers day you could take the air out of the game. These days a team can literally march down the field with holding and PI penalties in a matter of moments. I heard a couple of announcers say yesterday that Detroit should just throw the ball down the field and hope for a flag. Not the way football is supposed to be played.

[K_C_]

Get this team to the postseason or the bug-eyed fuck can choke on a pole.

[Stillerz Bar]

The league is different now. 10 points is nothing. In Cowhers day you could take the air out of the game. These days a team can literally march down the field with holding and PI penalties in a matter of moments. I heard a couple of announcers say yesterday that Detroit should just throw the ball down the field and hope for a flag. Not the way football is supposed to be played.

The fact that the league is different and huge comebacks are commonplace actually makes this 57-4 stat even more impressive.

[Legacy User]

The league is different now. 10 points is nothing. In Cowhers day you could take the air out of the game. These days a team can literally march down the field with holding and PI penalties in a matter of moments. I heard a couple of announcers say yesterday that Detroit should just throw the ball down the field and hope for a flag. Not the way football is supposed to be played.

The fact that the league is different and huge comebacks are commonplace actually makes this 57-4 stat even more impressive.

I would agree. The Browns came back from 23 down to win on the road. Every week we see more and more comebacks- its getting to common for it not to be intentional from a rules standpoint

[Legacy User]

[Legacy User]

The league is different now. 10 points is nothing. In Cowhers day you could take the air out of the game. These days a team can literally march down the field with holding and PI penalties in a matter of moments. I heard a couple of announcers say yesterday that Detroit should just throw the ball down the field and hope for a flag. Not the way football is supposed to be played.

Agreed. The attempts to encourage passing offense are beyond the point of absurdity now.

[Steel Mike]

Looks a little root-bound. Could use a bigger pot.

[Legacy User]

The most troubling things to me are the "coachable" points this team keeps failing at.

Time management.
Personnel decisions.
Penalties.
Lack of focus.

A good coach should be able to fix these problems rather quickly.

Tomlin doesn't seem to care enough to do it. He keeps blaming "execution" and pretending that the coaching is fine.

[bradshaw2ben]

Time management.
Personnel decisions.
Penalties.
Lack of focus.

did you miss yesterday or something?

Time Management: almost perfectly executed in this game, especially in the 4th Quarter. Mixed in just enough run to use clock while still attacking. You can quibble with the TO before the end of 2nd half timeout maybe, and I disagreed with pooch punting, which is more strategy than time management, but closing out the game was perfectly executed.

Personnel Decisions: they benched Justin Brown, rotated in all of their skill position talent, benched Archer as a returner and even as a role player after his drop. They promoted McClain over Cortez Allen, and then promoted in-game Antwon Blake over Allen.

I'm not sure I can think of a single non STs penalty yesterday that wasn't total horseshit besides holding the RB on an attempted screen-- that's actually probably a decent play by Harrison because it was going to be a big play. I would have preferred he just try and knock the guy down but whatevs. Otherwise, it's one holding on a return and a whole lot of bullshit.

Lack of focus: LOLaughable The last 6+ quarters they seems as focused as any team in the NFL. Yesterday they came out remarkable focused and on point-- and they finished the same way.

[Steelafan77]

Time management.
Personnel decisions.
Penalties.
Lack of focus.

did you miss yesterday or something?

Time Management: almost perfectly executed in this game, especially in the 4th Quarter. Mixed in just enough run to use clock while still attacking. You can quibble with the TO before the end of 2nd half timeout maybe, and I disagreed with pooch punting, which is more strategy than time management, but closing out the game was perfectly executed.

Personnel Decisions: they benched Justin Brown, rotated in all of their skill position talent, benched Archer as a returner and even as a role player after his drop. They promoted McClain over Cortez Allen, and then promoted in-game Antwon Blake over Allen.

I'm not sure I can think of a single non STs penalty yesterday that wasn't total horseshit besides holding the RB on an attempted screen-- that's actually probably a decent play by Harrison because it was going to be a big play. I would have preferred he just try and knock the guy down but whatevs. Otherwise, it's one holding on a return and a whole lot of bullshit.

Lack of focus: LOLaughable The last 6+ quarters they seems as focused as any team in the NFL. Yesterday they came out remarkable focused and on point-- and they finished the same way.

This^

Will they stay consistent is what I'm thinking crosby meant. because up until these last couple games tomlin and crew were all over the place with lousy Clock/Game management and even some personnel management problems. The lack of focus has been the debate in many a thread here at Steelerfury as well. I'm glad to finally see a two game stretch of consistency. They will have to maintain this form the rest of the way. Especially next Sunday. JMO

[Legacy User]

Time management.
Personnel decisions.
Penalties.
Lack of focus.

did you miss yesterday or something?

Time Management: almost perfectly executed in this game, especially in the 4th Quarter. Mixed in just enough run to use clock while still attacking. You can quibble with the TO before the end of 2nd half timeout maybe, and I disagreed with pooch punting, which is more strategy than time management, but closing out the game was perfectly executed.

Personnel Decisions: they benched Justin Brown, rotated in all of their skill position talent, benched Archer as a returner and even as a role player after his drop. They promoted McClain over Cortez Allen, and then promoted in-game Antwon Blake over Allen.

I'm not sure I can think of a single non STs penalty yesterday that wasn't total horseshit besides holding the RB on an attempted screen-- that's actually probably a decent play by Harrison because it was going to be a big play. I would have preferred he just try and knock the guy down but whatevs. Otherwise, it's one holding on a return and a whole lot of bullshit.

Lack of focus: LOLaughable The last 6+ quarters they seems as focused as any team in the NFL. Yesterday they came out remarkable focused and on point-- and they finished the same way.

One game doesn't wipe away all the previous mistakes.

[bradshaw2ben]

I know, but you said you doubt their ability to fix it quickly... they seem to have addressed a lot of it in two weeks time since Cleveland... which by the way, was a loss to a pretty good team playing at home.

[Legacy User]

Time management.
Personnel decisions.
Penalties.
Lack of focus.

did you miss yesterday or something?

Time Management: almost perfectly executed in this game, especially in the 4th Quarter. Mixed in just enough run to use clock while still attacking. You can quibble with the TO before the end of 2nd half timeout maybe, and I disagreed with pooch punting, which is more strategy than time management, but closing out the game was perfectly executed.

Personnel Decisions: they benched Justin Brown, rotated in all of their skill position talent, benched Archer as a returner and even as a role player after his drop. They promoted McClain over Cortez Allen, and then promoted in-game Antwon Blake over Allen.

I'm not sure I can think of a single non STs penalty yesterday that wasn't total horseshit besides holding the RB on an attempted screen-- that's actually probably a decent play by Harrison because it was going to be a big play. I would have preferred he just try and knock the guy down but whatevs. Otherwise, it's one holding on a return and a whole lot of bullshit.

Lack of focus: LOLaughable The last 6+ quarters they seems as focused as any team in the NFL. Yesterday they came out remarkable focused and on point-- and they finished the same way.

[Legacy User]

Time management.
Personnel decisions.
Penalties.
Lack of focus.

did you miss yesterday or something?

Time Management: almost perfectly executed in this game, especially in the 4th Quarter. Mixed in just enough run to use clock while still attacking. You can quibble with the TO before the end of 2nd half timeout maybe, and I disagreed with pooch punting, which is more strategy than time management, but closing out the game was perfectly executed.

Personnel Decisions: they benched Justin Brown, rotated in all of their skill position talent, benched Archer as a returner and even as a role player after his drop. They promoted McClain over Cortez Allen, and then promoted in-game Antwon Blake over Allen.

I'm not sure I can think of a single non STs penalty yesterday that wasn't total horseshit besides holding the RB on an attempted screen-- that's actually probably a decent play by Harrison because it was going to be a big play. I would have preferred he just try and knock the guy down but whatevs. Otherwise, it's one holding on a return and a whole lot of bullshit.

Lack of focus: LOLaughable The last 6+ quarters they seems as focused as any team in the NFL. Yesterday they came out remarkable focused and on point-- and they finished the same way.

A good coach would cut off his DBs hands so they'd quit getting illegal hands to the face penalties all the time. Tomlin's too soft on them. If I were coach, they'd lose a finger every time they were flagged. Not after the game, either. I'd carry a rusty machete around with me on the sideline and hack their fingers off right on the training table before I benched them for the rest of the game.

[Legacy User]

I know, but you said you doubt their ability to fix it quickly... they seem to have addressed a lot of it in two weeks time since Cleveland... which by the way, was a loss to a pretty good team playing at home.

So what about the first 5 weeks when none of it was fixed?

Or the couple of seasons before this one?

That doesn't seem too quick to me.

[bradshaw2ben]

It's not who you are at the beginning of the season, it's who you become by the end. Truly, you want your team to grow into itself and be playing the best football with the best players by the stretch run/postseason. I think they wanted to do something different, for a variety of reasons-- some of which we can understand and some we would understand if we had all the information and some which are just dumb/delusional. They had a lot of new faces stepping up in roles they didn't know could be filled. The OL was a work in progress. They perhaps thought the D and pass rush would be better than it was at the start of the year.

All I know is, right from the beginning of last week, there were signs that the right kind of changes were being implemented and that someone in a decision-making capacity (I assume it's the HC) gets it on some level.

[Donnie Brasco]

It's not who you are at the beginning of the season, it's who you become by the end. Truly, you want your team to grow into itself and be playing the best football with the best players by the stretch run/postseason. .

Yea but I've seen this movie before the past 2 (non playoff) seasons.

When this team gets the playoffs again, I'll happily eat my crow on Tomlin. Until then he's an average coach.

[bradshaw2ben]

the overall talent level sucked the past few years. I think he actually got a lot out of last year's squad, in particular.

[steeledge]

It's not who you are at the beginning of the season, it's who you become by the end. Truly, you want your team to grow into itself and be playing the best football with the best players by the stretch run/postseason. I think they wanted to do something different, for a variety of reasons-- some of which we can understand and some we would understand if we had all the information and some which are just dumb/delusional. They had a lot of new faces stepping up in roles they didn't know could be filled. The OL was a work in progress. They perhaps thought the D and pass rush would be better than it was at the start of the year.

All I know is, right from the beginning of last week, there were signs that the right kind of changes were being implemented and that someone in a decision-making capacity (I assume it's the HC) gets it on some level.

the overall talent level sucked the past few years. I think he actually got a lot out of last year's squad, in particular.

I've likely been the loudest Tomlin critic on these pages.
I'll also be the first to admit I liked what I saw yesterday, from everybody associated with it, and it definitely boded well for Tomlin.
Seems to me like he's still hungry, and that he's putting the chip to good use...

Not sure I'm buying in on the talent level thing, though...
While he did get a good bit out of last year's squad, it was too little, too late.
Chalk it up to injuries all you want, but there was more to it than that, and those are the gaps that good coaching are supposed to fill.
The talent level was the same for the entire season, though.

This season, fortunately, this team didn't wait around until week 6 to start winning, or allow themselves to be 2-6 midway through.

My take is this: when this team struggles, it's not the level of talent holding them back.
It's the mental makeup of who Tomlin decides to put on the field.
The only thing keeping this team from greatness is what's above the shoulder pads, not below...

Again, those are gaps that good coaching are supposed to fill.


I'm now in "wait and see" mode where Tomlin is concerned.

Yesterday was a really good start.
Thought I had eye-witnessed the turnaround in Carolina a few weeks ago, but that was quickly "WTF?!"ed out of me the following week...
I won't inflate my hopes to be let down again.

Keep it going, ESPECIALLY this Sunday, and I might be buying from Tomlin's Used Cars again...

[Kodiak]

The fact that the league is different and huge comebacks are commonplace actually makes this 57-4 stat even more impressive.

Which begs the question why his preference to "ease into" games. Must not be aware of his own record in that regard.

[Legacy User]

The talent level was the same for the entire season, though.

Bell missed the first four weeks, for example.

[Legacy User]

the overall talent level sucked the past few years. I think he actually got a lot out of last year's squad, in particular.

I've likely been the loudest Tomlin critic on these pages.
I'll also be the first to admit I liked what I saw yesterday, from everybody associated with it, and it definitely boded well for Tomlin.
Seems to me like he's still hungry, and that he's putting the chip to good use...

Not sure I'm buying in on the talent level thing, though...
While he did get a good bit out of last year's squad, it was too little, too late.
Chalk it up to injuries all you want, but there was more to it than that, and those are the gaps that good coaching are supposed to fill.
The talent level was the same for the entire season, though.

This season, fortunately, this team didn't wait around until week 6 to start winning, or allow themselves to be 2-6 midway through.

My take is this: when this team struggles, it's not the level of talent holding them back.
It's the mental makeup of who Tomlin decides to put on the field.
The only thing keeping this team from greatness is what's above the shoulder pads, not below...

Again, those are gaps that good coaching are supposed to fill.


I'm now in "wait and see" mode where Tomlin is concerned.

Yesterday was a really good start.
Thought I had eye-witnessed the turnaround in Carolina a few weeks ago, but that was quickly "WTF?!"ed out of me the following week...
I won't inflate my hopes to be let down again.

Keep it going, ESPECIALLY this Sunday, and I might be buying from Tomlin's Used Cars again...[/quote]

Me too. When he got the job he said he wanted to be able to play any game possible (paraphrasing). in a nut shell, he wanted to be able to run at will, and pass at will, be more like the Patriots if you will.....

He has shown us this year, Carolina game and Indianapolis game. If he can show us that he can consistently put this team on the field, AND know when to play the correct game, it will silence a lot of critics.

I know, a BIG if.