You did good, you did good.
DeCastro you need to figure out how to punish guys.
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Bad game...If I point it out the natives get restless.
Decastro had serious anchor issues in pass pro
He failed to re-establish the line of scrimmage at the point of attack in the run game.
Fletcher Cox is a stud...Decastro better be prepared for a war next week
Decastro had serious anchor issues in pass pro
He failed to re-establish the line of scrimmage at the point of attack in the run game.
Fletcher Cox is a stud...Decastro better be prepared for a war next week
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FC wrote:Bad game...If I point it out the natives get restless.
Decastro had serious anchor issues in pass pro
He failed to re-establish the line of scrimmage at the point of attack in the run game.
Fletcher Cox is a stud...Decastro better be prepared for a war next week
Right there with you FC. I thought the interior as a whole in Pass Pro was waffled between average to sometimes downright abysmal especially in the first half. The second half they seemed to play better but not great against a divisional foe.
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The field was coming up on every play.
Cincy's d-line is really good, we got the win almost dominated, you gotta move on.
Cincy's d-line is really good, we got the win almost dominated, you gotta move on.
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The more I think about this game, the more impressed I am we put up 24.
AB neutralized. Other receivers struggled to get separation. Run game had to work long and hard to get near 100 yds. Pouring rain at times and Ben uncharacteristically affected by it. Some drops from receivers, including AB.Two TOs which might not have been real soul-crushers because of the situations but still... and, OL dominated by Cincy's DL. Goes without saying but no Bryant, no Bell, no Wheaton.
In a way, I find games like this almost more impressive in terms of what Ben can do.
Also, the D accomplishing what they did, despite zero pass rush is amazing. I think the Bengals offense is terrible right now but it's still wow-worthy that the Steelers gave up 16 two weeks in a row. In the 2016 NFL!
AB neutralized. Other receivers struggled to get separation. Run game had to work long and hard to get near 100 yds. Pouring rain at times and Ben uncharacteristically affected by it. Some drops from receivers, including AB.Two TOs which might not have been real soul-crushers because of the situations but still... and, OL dominated by Cincy's DL. Goes without saying but no Bryant, no Bell, no Wheaton.
In a way, I find games like this almost more impressive in terms of what Ben can do.
Also, the D accomplishing what they did, despite zero pass rush is amazing. I think the Bengals offense is terrible right now but it's still wow-worthy that the Steelers gave up 16 two weeks in a row. In the 2016 NFL!
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
In a way, I find games like this almost more impressive in terms of what Ben can do.
bradshaw2ben wrote:In a way, I find games like this almost more impressive in terms of what Ben can do.
Ben pulling shit out his ass even in his worst games has been a hallmark of his career. I think I can count on one hand the times he's had a completely bad game...a lot of those have been when he's come back from injury, or is fighting through injury, or that game in 2008 where the Eagles just kicked our OL all over the schoolyard.
bradshaw2ben wrote:Also, the D accomplishing what they did, despite zero pass rush is amazing. I think the Bengals offense is terrible right now but it's still wow-worthy that the Steelers gave up 16 two weeks in a row. In the 2016 NFL!
What Butler is doing with back-end coverage is just amazing. Brady will carve that shit up, but I'm not sure (yet) any other QB we face will be able to.
I hope he sticks to the script next week when we play the Eagles. It's a one-game sample, and I'll know more after tonight, but Carson Wentz is no ordinary rookie- I think he has a lot of Ben in him. He ate Cleveland's blitz alive last week. I don't think he'll be rattled by a ton of pressure the way most rookies are. (Of course, it would be nice if the NFL could decide one way or the other what they're going to do with the Lane Johnson situation. Either suspend him or not- you took all of three seconds to decide to suspend Bell and Bryant, and you let Johnson hang around?)
And it's in Philly with that whole "no wins since 1965" thing- I don't know why that stuff should matter, but it seems to.
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Also, the D accomplishing what they did, despite zero pass rush is amazing. I think the Bengals offense is terrible right now but it's still wow-worthy that the Steelers gave up 16 two weeks in a row. In the 2016 NFL!
I'm not saying the pass rush was what it needed to be, but we also needed to take into account it was wet and that generally slows things
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Donnie Brasco wrote:bradshaw2ben wrote:
Also, the D accomplishing what they did, despite zero pass rush is amazing. I think the Bengals offense is terrible right now but it's still wow-worthy that the Steelers gave up 16 two weeks in a row. In the 2016 NFL!
I'm not saying the pass rush was what it needed to be, but we also needed to take into account it was wet and that generally slows things
Didn't seem to be slowing their guys and it was wasn't raining in Washington.
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Jeemie wrote:bradshaw2ben wrote:In a way, I find games like this almost more impressive in terms of what Ben can do.
Ben pulling shit out his ass even in his worst games has been a hallmark of his career. I think I can count on one hand the times he's had a completely bad game...a lot of those have been when he's come back from injury, or is fighting through injury, or that game in 2008 where the Eagles just kicked our OL all over the schoolyard.bradshaw2ben wrote:Also, the D accomplishing what they did, despite zero pass rush is amazing. I think the Bengals offense is terrible right now but it's still wow-worthy that the Steelers gave up 16 two weeks in a row. In the 2016 NFL!
What Butler is doing with back-end coverage is just amazing. Brady will carve that shit up, but I'm not sure (yet) any other QB we face will be able to.
I hope he sticks to the script next week when we play the Eagles. It's a one-game sample, and I'll know more after tonight, but Carson Wentz is no ordinary rookie- I think he has a lot of Ben in him. He ate Cleveland's blitz alive last week. I don't think he'll be rattled by a ton of pressure the way most rookies are. (Of course, it would be nice if the NFL could decide one way or the other what they're going to do with the Lane Johnson situation. Either suspend him or not- you took all of three seconds to decide to suspend Bell and Bryant, and you let Johnson hang around?)
And it's in Philly with that whole "no wins since 1965" thing- I don't know why that stuff should matter, but it seems to.
We're giving up a ton of passing yards, but that's today's NFL on defense. Make them take dump offs all the way down the field with no execution errors, hit them hard, and then hold up in the red zone. That applies to Brady too, he's just so damn precise in the red zone.
I agree with going in with the same game plan against Wentz. Consistency and patience are hard traits for rookies to develop.
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yeah, not a bad performance from a tubmonster.
re: pass rush. geez, some of you need to come down off the ledge. there wasn't a pass rush because there wasn't a pass rush. this DL is not, and never was, built to rush the passer. the game plan was not to blitz, but to contain and cover. all you guys know that. and....the game plan worked. forced them to earn (almost) every yard. forced them to accept FGs. almost forced two INTs on the rare occasions Butler dailed up a blitz. Cockrell's got to catch those.
sacks are fun. i like sacks, you like sacks, hell, we all like sacks. but the Jets called and they said they'd like to trade their 7 sacks for a W.
I am excited about the potential for growth in the secondary as the year goes on. Davis and Burns are both gaining valuable PT in meaningful game situations. Both have had plus and minus plays. Both are learning on the job.
As for the OL, let's give the Ben-gals DL a little credit. they played lights out for the most part. Peko and Atkins are going to give lots of OLs headaches all season. Their secondary also played well as far as I can tell. Ben didnt have anyone open for much of the game.
it was such an ugly performance I doubt I will watch it again. but, it was a division win against a quality opponent and I will take it and be glad so many young players are getting valuable experience (JJames, Grimble, Coates, Rogers, Davis, Burns, Chickillo, Toussaint) and NO MAJOR INJURIES.
re: pass rush. geez, some of you need to come down off the ledge. there wasn't a pass rush because there wasn't a pass rush. this DL is not, and never was, built to rush the passer. the game plan was not to blitz, but to contain and cover. all you guys know that. and....the game plan worked. forced them to earn (almost) every yard. forced them to accept FGs. almost forced two INTs on the rare occasions Butler dailed up a blitz. Cockrell's got to catch those.
sacks are fun. i like sacks, you like sacks, hell, we all like sacks. but the Jets called and they said they'd like to trade their 7 sacks for a W.
I am excited about the potential for growth in the secondary as the year goes on. Davis and Burns are both gaining valuable PT in meaningful game situations. Both have had plus and minus plays. Both are learning on the job.
As for the OL, let's give the Ben-gals DL a little credit. they played lights out for the most part. Peko and Atkins are going to give lots of OLs headaches all season. Their secondary also played well as far as I can tell. Ben didnt have anyone open for much of the game.
it was such an ugly performance I doubt I will watch it again. but, it was a division win against a quality opponent and I will take it and be glad so many young players are getting valuable experience (JJames, Grimble, Coates, Rogers, Davis, Burns, Chickillo, Toussaint) and NO MAJOR INJURIES.
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sacks are fun. i like sacks, you like sacks, hell, we all like sacks. but the Jets called and they said they'd like to trade their 7 sacks for a W.
Correlation does not equal causation. But OVER TIME, sacking and pressuring the other team's QB leads to W's. Being a coverage defense in today's NFL isn't a recipe for success
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Again, we're back to pre Keith Willis era edge players on this D. We desperately need AT LEAST a wave rusher to do what Peppers is doing in GB. This was supposed to be the role for Deebo but he's forced to play more like a starter because without him, we got nothing right now.
There HAS to be a guy out there who can bend the edge and be a stunt edge rusher. If he has liabilities, so what? Role player.
There HAS to be a guy out there who can bend the edge and be a stunt edge rusher. If he has liabilities, so what? Role player.
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Donnie Brasco wrote:sacks are fun. i like sacks, you like sacks, hell, we all like sacks. but the Jets called and they said they'd like to trade their 7 sacks for a W.
Correlation does not equal causation. But OVER TIME, sacking and pressuring the other team's QB leads to W's. Being a coverage defense in today's NFL isn't a recipe for success
correlation does not equal causation?? really? look, we aren't discussing complex macroeconomic theory or some such thing. as for causation, try this one on...
Butler game planned two games with heavy, consistent, use of 3-4 man pass rushes and dropping 7-8 into zone coverage. and his defense managed to frustrate the ever living shit out of Cousins and Orangehead and hold both of them under 17 points. both offenses with a considerable amount of talent. Butler's defensive gameplan caused two excellent outcomes. i expect Butler will employ similar approaches during the first quarter of the season at least. I am content to allow Butler to continue stacking similar performances while Sean Davis and Burns continue to learn, while Dupree gets healthy, while Golson gets healthy, and so on and so forth.
i'm not going to wail and gnash my teeth about sacks when the defense overall is succeeding. Speaking for myself, I am delighted that Butler is not trying to manufacture sacks and leaving his secondary exposed in the process.
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SteelyourFace wrote:Donnie Brasco wrote:sacks are fun. i like sacks, you like sacks, hell, we all like sacks. but the Jets called and they said they'd like to trade their 7 sacks for a W.
Correlation does not equal causation. But OVER TIME, sacking and pressuring the other team's QB leads to W's. Being a coverage defense in today's NFL isn't a recipe for success
correlation does not equal causation?? really? look, we aren't discussing complex macroeconomic theory or some such thing. as for causation, try this one on...
Butler game planned two games with heavy, consistent, use of 3-4 man pass rushes and dropping 7-8 into zone coverage. and his defense managed to frustrate the ever living shit out of Cousins and Orangehead and hold both of them under 17 points. both offenses with a considerable amount of talent. Butler's defensive gameplan caused two excellent outcomes. i expect Butler will employ similar approaches during the first quarter of the season at least. I am content to allow Butler to continue stacking similar performances while Sean Davis and Burns continue to learn, while Dupree gets healthy, while Golson gets healthy, and so on and so forth.
i'm not going to wail and gnash my teeth about sacks when the defense overall is succeeding. Speaking for myself, I am delighted that Butler is not trying to manufacture sacks and leaving his secondary exposed in the process.
Stats have their place in sports. They aren't the end all/be all for certain and while this isn't macroeconomic theory you've outlined why people disregard the methods to success. 2 games is a small sample size to draw conclusions from. This is a flawed defensive team without a passrush and history has shown for ~ the past 5 yrs, such identities don't have much postseason success.
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I think a lack of pressure and sacks is a bad thing for a D.
That said I think the nfl is essentially 2 games these days, football outside the red zone, and football inside the redzone.
Better teams and qbs will put alot of points on this D
The Steelers 2016 strategy needs to be score early and often and keep their foot on the gas the entire game
2 and 0 feels damn good. I will be bouncing off walls if we can push it to 3 and 0. Lol
That said I think the nfl is essentially 2 games these days, football outside the red zone, and football inside the redzone.
Better teams and qbs will put alot of points on this D
The Steelers 2016 strategy needs to be score early and often and keep their foot on the gas the entire game
2 and 0 feels damn good. I will be bouncing off walls if we can push it to 3 and 0. Lol
SteelyourFace wrote:Donnie Brasco wrote:sacks are fun. i like sacks, you like sacks, hell, we all like sacks. but the Jets called and they said they'd like to trade their 7 sacks for a W.
Correlation does not equal causation. But OVER TIME, sacking and pressuring the other team's QB leads to W's. Being a coverage defense in today's NFL isn't a recipe for success
correlation does not equal causation?? really? look, we aren't discussing complex macroeconomic theory or some such thing. as for causation, try this one on...
Butler game planned two games with heavy, consistent, use of 3-4 man pass rushes and dropping 7-8 into zone coverage. and his defense managed to frustrate the ever living shit out of Cousins and Orangehead and hold both of them under 17 points. both offenses with a considerable amount of talent. Butler's defensive gameplan caused two excellent outcomes. i expect Butler will employ similar approaches during the first quarter of the season at least. I am content to allow Butler to continue stacking similar performances while Sean Davis and Burns continue to learn, while Dupree gets healthy, while Golson gets healthy, and so on and so forth.
i'm not going to wail and gnash my teeth about sacks when the defense overall is succeeding. Speaking for myself, I am delighted that Butler is not trying to manufacture sacks and leaving his secondary exposed in the process.
This is where I'm at.
If we can find a wave rusher, great! Go for it.
If we're still playing this type of defense when we play the Pats, Brady will shred us. But that game is still weeks away- there is such a thing as looking TOO far ahead!
Until then, what Butler is doing is working- and I hope he does it next week against Wentz as well...I think it will confuse him.
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Why is there so much blowing of Green Bay? I see it on the board and in the national media. They are an average team at best and just got beat by Sam Bradford on a week of practice.
R S wrote:Why is there so much blowing of Green Bay? I see it on the board and in the national media. They are an average team at best and just got beat by Sam Bradford on a week of practice.
Because Mike McCarthy is light years ahead of Tomlin as a situational coach. Like that 4th and 2 call....when instead of kicking for the tie or letting Rodgers work his magic, they handed the ball to James Starks. Super genius.
R S wrote:Why is there so much blowing of Green Bay? I see it on the board and in the national media. They are an average team at best and just got beat by Sam Bradford on a week of practice.
Minnesota's defense is much different than ours.
Rodgers was brought up in this thread only in the context as to how he'd probably fare against this D.
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R S wrote:Why is there so much blowing of Green Bay? I see it on the board and in the national media. They are an average team at best and just got beat by Sam Bradford on a week of practice.
No shit. On the drive home from North Carolina yesterday, I am listening to the Skins/Cowboys game (couldn't get our game). They kept playing this commercial about the fucking Packers and how Aaron Rodgers is by far the best QB in the league and how Green Bay has the best weapons of any team. Nauseating.
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bradshaw2ben wrote:Again, we're back to pre Keith Willis era edge players on this D. We desperately need AT LEAST a wave rusher to do what Peppers is doing in GB. This was supposed to be the role for Deebo but he's forced to play more like a starter because without him, we got nothing right now.
There HAS to be a guy out there who can bend the edge and be a stunt edge rusher. If he has liabilities, so what? Role player.
Where is Jason Babin these days?
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The way Shazier knifed through the line and blew up Hill in the backfield after the Burns PI put the Bengals on the goal line was huge! Troy-like. 
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Still Lit wrote:The way Shazier knifed through the line and blew up Hill in the backfield after the Burns PI put the Bengals on the goal line was huge! Troy-like.
Yeah, but he still over runs lots of plays.
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BarryFoster wrote:Still Lit wrote:The way Shazier knifed through the line and blew up Hill in the backfield after the Burns PI put the Bengals on the goal line was huge! Troy-like.
Yeah, but he still over runs lots of plays.
So did Troy
But seriously, I'd liken it to Ben holding the ball too long. Take the good with the bad.
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Still Lit wrote:The way Shazier knifed through the line and blew up Hill in the backfield after the Burns PI put the Bengals on the goal line was huge! Troy-like.
Jarvis will get zero credit for that play though. If it weren't for him, Shazier never gets a hand on Hill. JJ, while having some physical limitations, plays his ass off and has been just c hair away from making some great plays in the last two games. Re-watch the play and folks will see what I mean.
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Donnie Brasco wrote:sacks are fun. i like sacks, you like sacks, hell, we all like sacks. but the Jets called and they said they'd like to trade their 7 sacks for a W.
Correlation does not equal causation. But OVER TIME, sacking and pressuring the other team's QB leads to W's. Being a coverage defense in today's NFL isn't a recipe for success
Just gonna put this back out there
Remember when we were 3-1 and everyone thought the way we were winning was a-ok?
FC wrote:Bad game...If I point it out the natives get restless.
Decastro had serious anchor issues in pass pro
He failed to re-establish the line of scrimmage at the point of attack in the run game.
Fletcher Cox is a stud...Decastro better be prepared for a war next week
Who gets restless? He has been a big disappointment whom they signed to a big deal, wish we could fire Tomlin and Colbert.
