Cam Sutton?

[Legacy User]

Tomlin said he played and provided a "spark"? Can't say I noticed him with the nuttiness of this game.

[Steelperch]

Tomlin said he played and provided a "spark"? Can't say I noticed him with the nuttiness of this game.

The fact that you didn’t notice Sensabaugh getting torched all 2nd half is s huge spark.

[franco32]

He played pretty well. They had him on Green at one point. Coty was such an abortion that I was proud of the staff for giving Sutton a shot. That could be valuable for us going forward.

[Stosh-67]

Defensive debut.
MNF.
AJ Green.

What a spot to walk on field

Does not get tuffer.

[bradshaw2ben]

Swapping in Sutton and Fort for Sensabaugh and Matakevich turned the tide of the game. Huge difference.

[Legacy User]

Tomlin said he played and provided a "spark"? Can't say I noticed him with the nuttiness of this game.

The fact that you didn’t notice Sensabaugh getting torched all 2nd half is s huge spark.

Touche

[franco32]

I like Big Red, but he was very poor tonight before his injury. Very poor. Good to have depth in Fort.

[Legacy User]

I say keep him in and get some experience before we play NE.

[Legacy User]

Fort is awful. I would put Harrison in at ILB if Matakevich can’t go next week.

[bradshaw2ben]

Fort is awful. I would put Harrison in at ILB if Matakevich can’t go next week.

He was pretty good. He fucked up on the quick slant but otherwise got into his drops and made some plays. Why do you think he sucks?

I think the best in-season solution to a long-term loss of Shazier would be to move Watt to Shazier's spot and play Deebo and Chickillo at ROLB.

[Stosh-67]

Fort is awful. I would put Harrison in at ILB if Matakevich can’t go next week.

He was pretty good. He fucked up on the quick slant but otherwise got into his drops and made some plays. Why do you think he sucks?

I think the best in-season solution to a long-term loss of Shazier would be to move Watt to Shazier's spot and play Deebo and Chickillo at ROLB.

Yup.
James not fast enough to cover middle of field.
Watt quick and long.

[Legacy User]

Fort was not great, was in the wrong gap a couple of times, but maybe less awful then Dirty Red.

[Old School Steeler]

Swapping in Sutton and Fort for Sensabaugh and Matakevich turned the tide of the game. Huge difference.

Matakevich is prob done. Cam and Barnett were big film guys at UT. Heady. Hayden and Cam huge upgrades. Burns had a decent game. We might be ok with Fort for Ryan. I don't understand why Fort was behind Matakevich.

[franco32]

Fort gives you a fighting chance of covering a RB out of the backfield. Big Red...not as much. Harrison would get slaughtered at ILB. Imagine Brady just dumping it off to Lewis and Burkhead over and over again and Harrison getting torched. You need foot speed at ILB nowadays.

Heck, they had Willie Gay lined up at ILB on a few plays. That's how bad it was.

[Legacy User]

Your solution works for me. I saw Fort getting abused in the run game. Slow and weak. I don’t think I ever saw him make contact on Gio less than 5 yards past the LOS. If the Bengals would have stuck with the run, we lose that game. We were getting absolutely gashed for 8 a pop on every run in the A gaps.

[Legacy User]

Having Gay on the roster tnite made the decision to keep him a very good one. Might have lost the game without him directing traffic. Fort didn't seem prepared for that role.

[Legacy User]

Fort gives you a fighting chance of covering a RB out of the backfield. Big Red...not as much. Harrison would get slaughtered at ILB. Imagine Brady just dumping it off to Lewis and Burkhead over and over again and Harrison getting torched. You need foot speed at ILB nowadays.

Heck, they had Willie Gay lined up at ILB on a few plays. That's how bad it was.

Watt.

And he has the smarts to do it.

The dropoff in athleticism from Shazier to Fort or Dirty Red is too dramatic to compensate for in the modern NFL.

[tbsteel]

Having Gay on the roster tnite made the decision to keep him a very good one. Might have lost the game without him directing traffic. Fort didn't seem prepared for that role.

Great point.

[Stosh-67]

I've seen nothing positive out of TM .
Said it last year.
Watched him get washed out on too many run plays.
Guess wrong gaps.
And trucked over a few times.

Big heart.
Limitation on physical part of game.

They will need to use the Marcus Gilbert suspension give back cash on an ILB for sure.
Any out there?

[Legacy User]

Tomlin said he played and provided a "spark"? Can't say I noticed him with the nuttiness of this game.

The fact that you didn’t notice Sensabaugh getting torched all 2nd half is s huge spark.

EXACTLY!!!

defense dramatically improved when CS went out and 34 came in -- thank god they made that move

[Legacy User]

I've seen nothing positive out of TM .
Said it last year.
Watched him get washed out on too many run plays.
Guess wrong gaps.
And trucked over a few times.

Big heart.
Limitation on physical part of game.

They will need to use the Marcus Gilbert suspension give back cash on an ILB for sure.
Any out there?

IMO he's a fine special teams player.

That's it.

[Stosh-67]

I've seen nothing positive out of TM .
Said it last year.
Watched him get washed out on too many run plays.
Guess wrong gaps.
And trucked over a few times.

Big heart.
Limitation on physical part of game.

They will need to use the Marcus Gilbert suspension give back cash on an ILB for sure.
Any out there?

IMO he's a fine special teams player.

That's it.

Yes he is.

[Legacy User]

Fort is awful. I would put Harrison in at ILB if Matakevich can’t go next week.

He was pretty good. He fucked up on the quick slant but otherwise got into his drops and made some plays. Why do you think he sucks?

I think the best in-season solution to a long-term loss of Shazier would be to move Watt to Shazier's spot and play Deebo and Chickillo at ROLB.

EXACTLY

didn't Watt play some ILB in preseason?

[Legacy User]

Fort gets no reps with the 1st team right? He's no stud but he's got to be rusty as fuck.

On the other hand, Big Red showed why he lasted until the 7th round. Practice can't turn a plow horse into a thoroughbred. He'll improve but it's a very low ceiling.

I think we also saw what a difference Gilbert makes in pass pro.

[DP39]

Dirty Red tried his best tonight. He's a smart player, but his athletic ability had him a day late and a dollar short on most plays. Love him on STs though. Hope he's okay.

I thought Sutton did a nice job for the most part. He's a really heady player and it will help him moving forward to stay on the field.

[Scunge]

Dirty Red actually tested better than Vince Williams, so it isn't a matter of him not being fast enough, or too slow, or not enough agility, quickness, etc.

It is the simple fact that no ILB in the game has the speed and quickness of Shazier. Butler/Tomlin do things with Shazier and his super athleticism that they are going to have to adjust the defense now if he is out for an extended period of time.

I don't blame Matakevich for not having the super powers of an ILB like Shazier, it is an impossible situation.

That said, I think the defense is probably stronger if they bring on Harrison/Chickillo at ROLB and have Watt more as an ILB. Besides Watt, Fort is probably the next best option in coverage. Way back at his Pro Day, LJ Fort ran a 4.67, 38 inch vertical, 7.15 3 cone, he is pretty athletic. There are options, but we were so much stronger with Watt and Shazier in coverage.

I loved Cam Sutton getting on the field finally. I wish they would have taken it another step and given him a chance to return some punts. Sutton is very smart, I would say he is like Watt, just lives, breathes, eats football, a natural, and Sensabaugh has been given enough chances, time to move on and give Sutton more snaps, and Allen too.

[steelergenie]

Good post Scunge. Tomlin must be reading our posts. Question is what took so long to pull the trigger on the obvious?

Dirty Red actually tested better than Vince Williams, so it isn't a matter of him not being fast enough, or too slow, or not enough agility, quickness, etc.

It is the simple fact that no ILB in the game has the speed and quickness of Shazier. Butler/Tomlin do things with Shazier and his super athleticism that they are going to have to adjust the defense now if he is out for an extended period of time.

I don't blame Matakevich for not having the super powers of an ILB like Shazier, it is an impossible situation.

That said, I think the defense is probably stronger if they bring on Harrison/Chickillo at ROLB and have Watt more as an ILB. Besides Watt, Fort is probably the next best option in coverage. Way back at his Pro Day, LJ Fort ran a 4.67, 38 inch vertical, 7.15 3 cone, he is pretty athletic. There are options, but we were so much stronger with Watt and Shazier in coverage.

I loved Cam Sutton getting on the field finally. I wish they would have taken it another step and given him a chance to return some punts. Sutton is very smart, I would say he is like Watt, just lives, breathes, eats football, a natural, and Sensabaugh has been given enough chances, time to move on and give Sutton more snaps, and Allen too.

[Suwanee88]

Tomlin said he played and provided a "spark"? Can't say I noticed him with the nuttiness of this game.

The fact that you didn’t notice Sensabaugh getting torched all 2nd half is s huge spark.

I bet Senseless gets the start against Baltimore - STUBBORN

[Suwanee88]

He played pretty well. They had him on Green at one point. Coty was such an abortion that I was proud of the staff for giving Sutton a shot. That could be valuable for us going forward.

He was a solid cover CB at TN, he played well in the preseason and he was a 3rd pick - I have no idea why he was behind Cody since he came back on the roster or before got hurt

[jebrick]

Fort gets no reps with the 1st team right? He's no stud but he's got to be rusty as fuck.

On the other hand, Big Red showed why he lasted until the 7th round. Practice can't turn a plow horse into a thoroughbred. He'll improve but it's a very low ceiling.

I think we also saw what a difference Gilbert makes in pass pro.

what is the chance they sign Timmons who was released by the phins?