Humble pie, enjoy a slice

[tbsteel]

Do I like the Pickett pick? No, but I understand I can watch film all day and still not know a GD thing. Just going back a few years...

SteelerFury crew 2016 pre-draft mock:

1. SS Karl Joseph, West Virginia
2. DT Javon Hargrave, South Carolina State
3. DL Jihad Ward, Illinois
4. OL Spencer Drango, Baylor
6c. CB Kalan Reed, Southern Miss
7a. RB Darius Jackson, Eastern Michigan
7b. TE Rico Gathers, Baylor

FC's preferred pre-draft mock in 2017:

1.Deshone Kizer QB Notre Dame
2.Tyus Bowser LB Houston
3.Wayne Gallman Rb Clemson
3C.Josh Reynolds Wr Texas AM
4. Howard Wilson CB Houston
5. John Johnson S Boston College
6.Samson Ebukam OLB EWU
7.Chase Allen ILB Southern Illinois

Perch on the Steelers drafting Watt: "Won't be long before someone compares him to another athletic white edge rusher like Mike Mamula." B2B said pre-draft he had 3 first round picks to "smash the television set over" with two of those being T.J. Watt and Marlon Humphrey. FC literally talked about the possibility of moving TJ Watt inside. B2B said "To me, Watt is a 4-3 strongside outside linebacker." Perch said the same thing. You know, the guy who going to be a HOFer as the best pass rusher in Steelers history. https://www.spreaker.com/user/12306403/ ... cast-s10e1

SteelerFury crew 2017 pre-draft mock:

1. Tyus Bowser LB
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3a. Marcus Maye S
3b. Jordan Leggett TE
4. Ryan Switzer WR
5. T.J. Logan RB
6. Collins Bevins DT
7. Robert Tonyan TE (noice)

Why this board annually loses its shit every draft year I'll never understand. For every guy we like who ends up working out there will be 4-5 if not more who suck. Sit back and enjoy the crash. We all don't know a damn thing.

[Professor Half Wit]

Hard not to lose your shit when you think you know what you're talking about and the GM and Coach choose differently from you. After all, if you know and the pick is someone you don't like, the GM and Coach must be wrong.

I doubt Pickett is the answer, but only because the answer is so very, very hard to find. Like some others have sensibly said. The nice thing about drafting Pickett is you will find out quickly.

[Pabst]

For the life of me I can't find the story, but.....I remember reading an article about an NFL scout who quit working for St Louis Rams because he hated the Bettis trade / Lawrence Phillips draft pick. Fast forward a few years, and he was the biggest cheerleader for the Browns' #1 pick that season: Tim Couch.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

I do value opinions and I do think certain people have done more homework and lived in their role to the point where when they post or talk - I listen.

I don't know ... and nobody really does... how these specific QB's careers will turn out, but I know a few things for sure.

The Steelers had their choice.,.. Picket was their #1, we know this because nobody else was off the board, so we know they didn't "settle".

The Steelers know more about Kenny Pickett than any other team in the NFL. When you see a kid every day, and as a GM you get to sit down and talk to him about football that often over the course of 4 years... you know who he is, what he can handle, how he's gotten from A->B, you know what he's learned of pro offenses, etc.

The Steelers did their homework on every other QB, they looked, and looked again.

I know they didn't panic into this pick, and I know they didn't settle because their first choice was gone. I believe they know more about this first round pick than any other first round pick they've made.

[Steeldrama]

TB, I get your point that sometimes you just have to take a wait and see approach with these kids.

The fun of draft season is speculating.
Putting out there for all to the see the players you like, and those you don’t like.

The big 3 hit more than they miss.

FC nailed the Mo Pouncey pick and many others
Tremendous knowledge of these college kids.
The guy is the reason I started reading and posting on SteelerFury.

Perch shares my affinity for big conference players.

B2B pulled Manny Sanders out of his ass.
Emmanuel who?
Nobody studies this shit more than B2B.
He’s got me hooked on measurables.

Sure he misses too.

He was all kinds of distraught when the Steelers passed on his guy Derek Sherrod despite my assurances Suwanee, GA’s own Cam Heyward was the vastly superior pick.

That’s what makes the draft so entertaining.

It’s all about the glory of being right and the agony of being wrong

Sure Pickett COULD be a quality NFL QB, but the fact that he was the only QB drafted in round 1 in a QB STARVED league tells me teams are not enamored with him or this qb class.

Yep, I HOPE to join the Big 3 in eating a big slice of Kenny Picket Humble Pie, but I'm not betting that will happen.

[Deebo]

For the life of me I can't find the story, but.....I remember reading an article about an NFL scout who quit working for St Louis Rams because he hated the Bettis trade / Lawrence Phillips draft pick. Fast forward a few years, and he was the biggest cheerleader for the Browns' #1 pick that season: Tim Couch.

Hopefully that person was fired

[Pabst]

For the life of me I can't find the story, but.....I remember reading an article about an NFL scout who quit working for St Louis Rams because he hated the Bettis trade / Lawrence Phillips draft pick. Fast forward a few years, and he was the biggest cheerleader for the Browns' #1 pick that season: Tim Couch.

Hopefully that person was fired

I'm pretty sure everyone in the Browns front office has been fired 6 times over since 1999.

[tbsteel]

TB, I get your point that sometimes you just have to take a wait and see approach with these kids.

The fun of draft season is speculating.
Putting out there for all to the see the players you like, and those you don’t like.

The big 3 hit more than they miss.

FC nailed the Mo Pouncey pick and many others
Tremendous knowledge of these college kids.
The guy is the reason I started reading and posting on SteelerFury.

Perch shares my affinity for big conference players.

B2B pulled Manny Sanders out of his ass.
Emmanuel who?
Nobody studies this shit more than B2B.
He’s got me hooked on measurables.

Sure he misses too.

He was all kinds of distraught when the Steelers passed on his guy Derek Sherrod despite my assurances Suwanee, GA’s own Cam Heyward was the vastly superior pick.

That’s what makes the draft so entertaining.

It’s all about the glory of being right and the agony of being wrong

Sure Pickett COULD be a quality NFL QB, but the fact that he was the only QB drafted in round 1 in a QB STARVED league tells me teams are not enamored with him or this qb class.

Yep, I HOPE to join the Big 3 in eating a big slice of Kenny Picket Humble Pie, but I'm not betting that will happen.

No doubt about all that, Drama. These dudes know their stuff and they're easily the best Steelers draft follow on the web. B2B was calling Mahomes a future HOFer pre-draft, I mean that's a legendary call. You can retire and just live out the rest of your days rolling in the proceeds of nailing something like that.

But my macro point is that relatively speaking, no one knows dick. In draft projections it's kind of like a baseball batting average: if you get to .300 you're a first-ballot HOFer, but you're still making an ass of yourself 7 out of 10 times. So getting that emotionally invested seems pretty... I don't know, lacking awareness? My initial reaction to Pickett was laughter and disgust, but who knows.

[SteelerDayTrader]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

[Professor Half Wit]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

Seems like you're guilty of missing your own point.

[Pabst]

Genuinely not trying to pile on, but.....

https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... f=2&t=3168

If you jump back to the posts about the 2015 draft, this board really didn't want Landon Collins in 2015. Oops.

[SteelerDayTrader]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

Seems like you're guilty of missing your own point.

Name ONE ????

[steelclan]

Do I like the Pickett pick? No, but I understand I can watch film all day and still not know a GD thing. Just going back a few years...

SteelerFury crew 2016 pre-draft mock:

1. SS Karl Joseph, West Virginia
2. DT Javon Hargrave, South Carolina State
3. DL Jihad Ward, Illinois
4. OL Spencer Drango, Baylor
6c. CB Kalan Reed, Southern Miss
7a. RB Darius Jackson, Eastern Michigan
7b. TE Rico Gathers, Baylor

FC's preferred pre-draft mock in 2017:

1.Deshone Kizer QB Notre Dame
2.Tyus Bowser LB Houston
3.Wayne Gallman Rb Clemson
3C.Josh Reynolds Wr Texas AM
4. Howard Wilson CB Houston
5. John Johnson S Boston College
6.Samson Ebukam OLB EWU
7.Chase Allen ILB Southern Illinois

Perch on the Steelers drafting Watt: "Won't be long before someone compares him to another athletic white edge rusher like Mike Mamula." B2B said pre-draft he had 3 first round picks to "smash the television set over" with two of those being T.J. Watt and Marlon Humphrey. FC literally talked about the possibility of moving TJ Watt inside. B2B said "To me, Watt is a 4-3 strongside outside linebacker." Perch said the same thing. You know, the guy who going to be a HOFer as the best pass rusher in Steelers history. https://www.spreaker.com/user/12306403/ ... cast-s10e1

SteelerFury crew 2017 pre-draft mock:

1. Tyus Bowser LB
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3a. Marcus Maye S
3b. Jordan Leggett TE
4. Ryan Switzer WR
5. T.J. Logan RB
6. Collins Bevins DT
7. Robert Tonyan TE (noice)

Why this board annually loses its shit every draft year I'll never understand. For every guy we like who ends up working out there will be 4-5 if not more who suck. Sit back and enjoy the crash. We all don't know a damn thing.

I remember that draft well and I was happy with Watt/defended him but come on now you're cherry picking one example. The vast majority of the time those Guys have nailed it. Think B2B with Mahomes prime example.

[tbsteel]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

Seems like you're guilty of missing your own point.

[tbsteel]

The vast majority of the time those Guys have nailed it.

The vast majority of the time no one "nails it." That's basically my point.

If everyone on here posted 30 prospecgts they loved and 30 prospects they hated every single draft season and then we looked at how those picks worked out, you could literally ask your iPhone to flip a coin for each pick and do just as good. No disrespect, that's just how the draft works.

That's actually a great idea.

[steelclan]

TB, I get your point that sometimes you just have to take a wait and see approach with these kids.

The fun of draft season is speculating.
Putting out there for all to the see the players you like, and those you don’t like.

The big 3 hit more than they miss.

FC nailed the Mo Pouncey pick and many others
Tremendous knowledge of these college kids.
The guy is the reason I started reading and posting on SteelerFury.

Perch shares my affinity for big conference players.

B2B pulled Manny Sanders out of his ass.
Emmanuel who?
Nobody studies this shit more than B2B.
He’s got me hooked on measurables.

Sure he misses too.

He was all kinds of distraught when the Steelers passed on his guy Derek Sherrod despite my assurances Suwanee, GA’s own Cam Heyward was the vastly superior pick.

That’s what makes the draft so entertaining.

It’s all about the glory of being right and the agony of being wrong

Sure Pickett COULD be a quality NFL QB, but the fact that he was the only QB drafted in round 1 in a QB STARVED league tells me teams are not enamored with him or this qb class.

Yep, I HOPE to join the Big 3 in eating a big slice of Kenny Picket Humble Pie, but I'm not betting that will happen.

No doubt about all that, Drama. These dudes know their stuff and they're easily the best Steelers draft follow on the web. B2B was calling Mahomes a future HOFer pre-draft, I mean that's a legendary call. You can retire and just live out the rest of your days rolling in the proceeds of nailing something like that.

But my macro point is that relatively speaking, no one knows dick. In draft projections it's kind of like a baseball batting average: if you get to .300 you're a first-ballot HOFer, but you're still making an ass of yourself 7 out of 10 times. So getting that emotionally invested seems pretty... I don't know, lacking awareness? My initial reaction to Pickett was laughter and disgust, but who knows.

Didn't see this in reac to first post but this is a fair take. I always leave watching tape late in the process, really late because Rugby takes precedence until end of March.

So I usually avoid all the combine hype and judge players purely on their tape but even that is me getting it wrong far more than I get it right. Far more. Maybe charitably 5% right.

[tbsteel]

My take is that I just say that everyone will suck... that way I'm usually right since the vast majority of picks don't work out lol.

[steelclan]

My take is that I just say that everyone will suck... that way I'm usually right since the vast majority of picks don't work out lol.

Yep. 70% of 1st round QBs? Fail.

[tbsteel]

My take is that I just say that everyone will suck... that way I'm usually right since the vast majority of picks don't work out lol.

Yep. 70% of 1st round QBs? Fail.

At least if Pickett sucks we'll known sooner rather than later. I'm all about the positives today.

[Pabst]

I remember that draft well and I was happy with Watt/defended him but come on now you're cherry picking one example. The vast majority of the time those Guys have nailed it. Think B2B with Mahomes prime example.

Here's who the podcast went with in the first round since 2016:

2016 Karl Joseph
2017 Tyus Bowser
2018 Derrius Guice
2019 Clelin Ferrell
2020 (no first round pick)
2021 Creed Humphrey

[AirRescueFF]

Can Pickett play DL, S, CB, LB, or WR?

[franco32]

There's a big reason people miss on draft picks. We just never quite know how competitive someone is. Grit is the biggest predictor of success in life. We just don't know how maniacal Pickett will be. He's a talented kid. Will he put in the 1000s of hours needed studying film, working on mechanics, footwork, timing, etc. to be one of the best?

To me, that's the missing element that no scout can quantify. How much heart, drive, and grit do you have?

Clearly, Colbert thinks Kenny has enough. Let's give the kid a chance.

[Jobu]

Can Pickett play DL, S, CB, LB, or WR?

Can Jordan Davis, Dax Hill, Sauce Gardner, Devin Lloyd, or Garrett Wilson play QB? I don’t get your point.

[JackLambert58]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

Seems like you're guilty of missing your own point.

Dammit, you beat me to it!

[AirRescueFF]

Can Pickett play DL, S, CB, LB, or WR?

Can Jordan Davis, Dax Hill, Sauce Gardner, Devin Lloyd, or Garrett Wilson play QB? I don’t get your point.

Priorities.

[COR-TEN]

Grit is the biggest predictor of success in life.

I really don't mean to derail the thread, but this statement, imo, is bullshit. What happens when player A has just as much "grit" as player B, but player B gets the success in the NFL, and player A ends up in the CFL as a no name?

How many times have you heard players and coaches say "Player A works his ass off, is a student of the game, has all the athleticism and physical talent for success," but ends up bouncing from team to team barely sniffing success?

[RemoAZ]

There's a big reason people miss on draft picks. We just never quite know how competitive someone is. Grit is the biggest predictor of success in life. We just don't know how maniacal Pickett will be. He's a talented kid. Will he put in the 1000s of hours needed studying film, working on mechanics, footwork, timing, etc. to be one of the best?

To me, that's the missing element that no scout can quantify. How much heart, drive, and grit do you have?

Clearly, Colbert thinks Kenny has enough. Let's give the kid a chance.

Agree 100% . You'd hope that being so close to him for so long gives them inside info. Work ethic and dedication turned TJ from good to great. Can do the same to allow Pickett to succeed.

[El Kabong]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

No, I will NOT let you forget that Watt tipped a PATRICK MAHOMES pass so that Bush could intercept it and also recovered a fumble and SCORED A TD IN A PLAYOFF GAME.

Don't give us this "the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first" garbage. You are WRONG.

[SteelerDayTrader]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

No, I will NOT let you forget that Watt tipped a PATRICK MAHOMES pass so that Bush could intercept it and also recovered a fumble and SCORED A TD IN A PLAYOFF GAME.

Don't give us this "the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first" garbage. You are WRONG.

42-21 Chiefs

[El Kabong]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

No, I will NOT let you forget that Watt tipped a PATRICK MAHOMES pass so that Bush could intercept it and also recovered a fumble and SCORED A TD IN A PLAYOFF GAME.

Don't give us this "the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first" garbage. You are WRONG.

42-21 Chiefs

No, you said he hadn't made any impact in a game that matters. I gave you two plays. You are WRONG.

And it is asinine for you to blame Watt for the play of his teammates. And you have yet to answer my question of why Ben didn't raise the play of his teammates. But you know the answer. It's stupid to blame good players for their teammates sucking.