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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:02 am

Scunge wrote:It is funny but as the draft unfolded it just seemed like fate that Watt would be there for us. I thought for sure that GB, or Dallas, or some other teams would pick all the edge rushers. But then you had 3 WRs go in the first 9 picks, you had 3 QBs taken early, you had players going early like CB Jackson at 18, you had the Raiders disregarding Gareon Conley's troubles and selecting him.

The TEs all going before our pick, Howard, Engram and Njoku. Green Bay trading back with Cleveland, they might have taken Watt had they stayed put.

I know it was a need but I can't complain. Who else could they have taken? Reuben Foster? Kevin King? Josh Jones? Chidobe Awuzie? Jordan Willis?

So, I am okay with Watt. I will say this, I think he more of an athlete than some think. Everyone this offseason talks of how Tyus Bowser is this great athletic off-the-ball OLB but you look at his combine numbers and they are about equal to TJ Watt. The thing I like about Watt is that sometimes when an athletic player is in his first year as a starter, it can sort of slow you down and negate your athletic gifts. Your head is swimming, you are adjusting to a new position, he was a TE before making the switch to OLB, he had some injuries, etc.

I just see a player who has tools to work with, he will probably fill out and be a 6'5" 260 pounder. He ran a 6.79 3 cone, he has a 37 inch vertical, 11 inch hands? If you are going to draft an OLB, at least draft somebody who has the tools and can get better. Jarvis Jones was maxed out, never had the tools to begin with and was never going to be a good pro.




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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:05 am

franco32 wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:I love all those athletic gifts-- I'm concerned about him playing the position-- but, in theory, he will get better.


I'm concerned about Dupree playing the position and finally learning to use his hands properly. Watt is still growing into his frame. If he can put on about 5-10 more lbs of muscle he'll be better positioned to take on NFL OTs.

Well, as Colbert says, watch a game early in the season, middle of season, late in the season. I think both Dupree and Watt *can* get better... their coaching will tell the tale.

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Post by ironzabo » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:10 am

This selection is a PR move IMHO. Steeler Nation will fall fast and hard for this pick.


This sends a clear cut shot across MT bow. Artie II will not allow the asylum to be run by the inmates any longer. This dude is a worker and has the desire to be a solid fucking pro. I don't think for one minute that he will not do the requisite weight room work that MUST be done and or the film scrubbing. He has no array of alternate moves to combat OT with the size and strength he is about to encounter in the big boy league.

He will be solid and in fact a sponge.


The issue I have personally with this pick is that he will not be a "difference maker" to the degree we need in the next 2 years.


I have seen this dude play more games in the BIG TEN than most here. He got lost in the wash on the reg and while he did in fact "flash" at times we simply have a very limited window to get another ring. The Facts are the Facts boys.


There are a fuck ton of talented prospects that can be impactful to the current roster. Hopefully we can get our mitts on more than one come tomorrow :)

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Post by Thrillsseeker » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:17 am

ironzabo wrote:This selection is a PR move IMHO. Steeler Nation will fall fast and hard for this pick.


This sends a clear cut shot across MT bow. Artie II will not allow the asylum to be run by the inmates any longer. This dude is a worker and has the desire to be a solid fucking pro. I don't think for one minute that he will not do the requisite weight room work that MUST be done and or the film scrubbing. He has no array of alternate moves to combat OT with the size and strength he is about to encounter in the big boy league.

He will be solid and in fact a sponge.


The issue I have personally with this pick is that he will not be a "difference maker" to the degree we need in the next 2 years.


I have seen this dude play more games in the BIG TEN than most here. He got lost in the wash on the reg and while he did in fact "flash" at times we simply have a very limited window to get another ring. The Facts are the Facts boys.


There are a fuck ton of talented prospects that can be impactful to the current roster. Hopefully we can get our mitts on more than one come tomorrow :)


Fucking hell man. I hope you haven't leapt to your death. We picked 30th for fucks sake, not in the top 5.

Great pick, now step away from the ledge.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:21 am

oh dear god. ok I get it that Watt is a white guy in a sport pre-dominately owned by old white guys but to think that we are going to become the 1950-1960's Redskins forgoing talent and not vying for championships is ludicrous.

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Post by ironzabo » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:21 am

No ledges here ....whatsoever as a matter of fact.


It is what it is. One can only call em like I see them. This haul is extremely deep and can be a great one for certain.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:22 am

ironzabo wrote:

The issue I have personally with this pick is that he will not be a "difference maker" to the degree we need in the next 2 years.


I have seen this dude play more games in the BIG TEN than most here. He got lost in the wash on the reg and while he did in fact "flash" at times we simply have a very limited window to get another ring. The Facts are the Facts boys.


There are a fuck ton of talented prospects that can be impactful to the current roster. Hopefully we can get our mitts on more than one come tomorrow :)


Pretty much my thoughts

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Post by ironzabo » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:33 am

Another like minded assessment :


Sports are businesses, and as such, they are always looking for “sure things”. In horse racing it comes down to bloodlines -- horses that are descended from past greats always fetch higher prices because of the possibility of inherited greatness.

Though they are less explicit about it, football evaluators pay attention to genetics as well, and few things can get ears perked up like a famous last name. So when Wisconsin’s T.J. Watt declared for the draft, pretty much everyone started paying attention. He might not be as big as his older brother, J.J. Watt, but with the name comes potential.

The New York Giants aren’t strangers to betting on bloodlines either. Sometimes it works out, like with Eli Manning, and sometimes it doesn’t -- as with Sinorice Moss. Could they take a look at T.J. Watt?

Measurables

Pros
Prototypical size and frame for an edge rusher.
Impressive athlete. Has a good burst, bend, agility, and closing speed.
Uses hands well to keep blockers off of him.
Able to shoot gaps and be disruptive in the backfield.
High-energy player, from a family known for effort and work ethic.
Shows good awareness of the ball.
Tireless in pursuit and always plays through the whistle.


Cons
Inexperienced. Only two years on the field at Wisconsin, and only one complete year of high production.
Still putting the pieces together as a player. Has plenty of tools, but doesn’t always use them to the best effect.
Can drop into coverage on occasion, but at his best going downhill.
Could stand to add power to his lower body. Should continue to fill out and get more powerful in an NFL strength program
Does He Fit With The Giants?
Watt should be able to find a fit in the Giants’ defense, and like Takkarist McKinley [Prospect Profile] should be able to start as a pass rush specialist and grow into the role of a defensive end.

Watt is already competent enough when it comes to dropping into coverage -- and should still be with some more mass -- to make zone blitzes a credible threat. However he should spend the majority of his time going downhill, attacking into the backfield.

The bigger question is whether the Giants will be able to spend the draft capital to select him if they do like him. His name and upside will likely push him up draft boards.

Prospect Video

Big Board Rankings
Big Blue View - 46th overall

CBS Sports - 41st overall

Draft Countdown - 35th overall

Draft Tek - 44th overall

Final Thoughts

T.J. Watt should be a player to watch over the next couple years. Having an older brother who has spent most of the previous five years being the best in the world at what he does is a hell of a lot to hang on a kid -- just ask Eli Manning.

The younger Watt is still putting it all together, but he has the athletic upside to eventually blossom into an excellent defender in his own right. Measurably and athletically he compares more closely to Khalil Mack than many might assume. That isn’t to say that he will ever be as good as Mack or his older brother, and at this point he probably should be a second round selection.

However, if a team were to take a bet, making it on a player with high athletic upside and a strong work ethic is usually one of the safer bets to make. He might get “over drafted”, but he also has a pretty good chance of eventually vindicating the team that takes him “early”.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:01 am

So who did you guys prefer to Watt at #30..put down the names on the record..cuz I think we got the best available guy but more than that a guy that is going to get bigger and better and will eventually be a difference maker..great fucking pick...and I don't give a fuck what color he is..i just see the player and call em as I see em...hes the guy I wanted all along.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:15 am

Josh Jones
Quincy Wilson
Budda Baker

To name a few

Predict Mini Watt fails to have a big impact against good teams before Ben retires

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:21 am

SteelerChef wrote:Josh Jones
Quincy Wilson
Budda Baker

To name a few

Predict Mini Watt fails to have a big impact against good teams before Ben retires




pick 1 of those guys and put in on the record STD. None of those names would have had an immediate impact btw. TJ Watt is a freak athlete. Don't believe it? Check out his athletic profile here..http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tj-watt Hes new to the position, is he an impact player week 1..probably not...but hes gonna get bigger and better under the tutelage of 1 James Harrison. I'll predict he starts making big plays by mid season. This is a great pick.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:23 am

I see that some of the resident Mel Kiper's can't take a joke. Posting 54 mock drafts on a fanboy message board doesn't make you an expert. It actually makes you kind of creepy. Everyone has an opinion, including Kiper and he's wrong more often than not. Getting all worked up over the draft is like getting upset because your dog can't pick up his own shit. I used to get bent of shape about the Steelers and then I grew up. Why can't you cry babies just be happy that the Steelers are consistently better than most of the league? Stop taking yourselves so seriously. I'm mean, if you get upset because someone you don't even know on the internet suggests that you might be a pussy, well then you might actually be a big hairy pussy. :lol:

Smoke some weed and watch more hockey. The NFL blows now anyway. Oh, and don't let your giant head explode tomorrow Coach, when the Steelers don't pick who you told them to take. :roll:

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:56 am

GreekSteel wrote:
SteelerChef wrote:Josh Jones
Quincy Wilson
Budda Baker

To name a few

Predict Mini Watt fails to have a big impact against good teams before Ben retires




pick 1 of those guys and put in on the record STD. None of those names would have had an immediate impact btw. TJ Watt is a freak athlete. Don't believe it? Check out his athletic profile here..http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tj-watt Hes new to the position, is he an impact player week 1..probably not...but hes gonna get bigger and better under the tutelage of 1 James Harrison. I'll predict he starts making big plays by mid season. This is a great pick.


I stand by my prediction

Zero big impact games against good teams before Ben retires. Zero

Thats a lousy pick at 30 considering the makeup and window of this team

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:12 am

SteelerChef wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
SteelerChef wrote:Josh Jones
Quincy Wilson
Budda Baker

To name a few

Predict Mini Watt fails to have a big impact against good teams before Ben retires




pick 1 of those guys and put in on the record STD. None of those names would have had an immediate impact btw. TJ Watt is a freak athlete. Don't believe it? Check out his athletic profile here..http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tj-watt Hes new to the position, is he an impact player week 1..probably not...but hes gonna get bigger and better under the tutelage of 1 James Harrison. I'll predict he starts making big plays by mid season. This is a great pick.


I stand by my prediction

Zero big impact games against good teams before Ben retires. Zero

Thats a lousy pick at 30 considering the makeup and window of this team



None of the guys you mentioned were making an impact next season. And we don't know exactly how many seasons Ben has left. TJ Watt will be a better pro than any of the guys you just mentioned and you still haven't given me the 1 name of they guy you would have taken instead of Watt. Fantastic pick got the guy I wanted.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:29 am

I wouldve rather the Steelers attempted to grab Jones Baker or Wilson and tried to build a mismatch unit in the 2ndary.

If the Steelers scheme SqWatt unblocked or overload blitz etc he might be a situational force eventually. If your seriously gonna take a player you cant have any hope of plug and play why not take one with more upside ?

Bowser Mathis Willis

IMO Hendrickson Dimick and SqWatt look real similar.....except those other 2 are gonna be around 50 to 100 picks later

I dont SqWatt will ever be an every down impact player. Im not opposed to to taking a Kevin Greene type situational pass rush specialist but damn.....he better show alot more than T J fucking SqWatt

We will see how the draft pans out.....I may end up real happy...

TJ MiniWatt at 30 is damn disappointing for a team that imo has a 2yr window tops with Ben

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Post by 86n96 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:38 am

SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
ironzabo wrote:This selection is a PR move IMHO. Steeler Nation will fall fast and hard for this pick.


This sends a clear cut shot across MT bow. Artie II will not allow the asylum to be run by the inmates any longer. This dude is a worker and has the desire to be a solid fucking pro. I don't think for one minute that he will not do the requisite weight room work that MUST be done and or the film scrubbing. He has no array of alternate moves to combat OT with the size and strength he is about to encounter in the big boy league.

He will be solid and in fact a sponge.


The issue I have personally with this pick is that he will not be a "difference maker" to the degree we need in the next 2 years.


I have seen this dude play more games in the BIG TEN than most here. He got lost in the wash on the reg and while he did in fact "flash" at times we simply have a very limited window to get another ring. The Facts are the Facts boys.


There are a fuck ton of talented prospects that can be impactful to the current roster. Hopefully we can get our mitts on more than one come tomorrow :)


Fucking hell man. I hope you haven't leapt to your death.

I kind of hope he does.
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Post by 86n96 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:40 am

Great pick.
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Post by Scunge » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:29 am

We were picking with the 30th pick in the first round, how somebody, anybody thinks that were were going to draft an immediate, impact player with so late a pick is in my opinion, delusional.

Buddy Baker would have been a major reach, just too small to matchup as a hybrid player asked to cover taller WRs or TEs.

Quincy Wilson is stiff and has tackling issues. The talent at both CB and S is such that comparable players would be available at pick 62 and in rounds 3 and 4.

I was not impressed with this edge rusher class but if you were going to try and find a solution I think it had to be done in the first two rounds, and the way things are unfolding, I expect most of the top prospects to be gone in the top 50 picks. I think Willis, Rivers, Bowser and maybe even Lawson to be gone by our 62nd pick.

Regardless, with whomever we picked I knew the sky would be falling here on SteelerFury. I can easily see Watt splitting half the snaps with Harrison, and having 6-7 sacks as a rookie. This is not a team devoid of talent, he does not have to come in and be a double digit sackman from day one. But it is also not going to be hard for him to have a very good rookie season. Everywhere you look the team has high draft picks on defense. When Watt lines up at ROLB that is 1st round CB Artie Burns to his right, that is 1st round DE Cam Heyward to his left, that is 1st round ILB Shazier also to his left inside. That is a mighty good fit to be in and to have James Harrison as your teammate that you are going to rotate with? All in all it does not get better than that.

This would be a very different situation if Watt were going to a really bad team, a really bad defense and had the weight of the world on him and was expected to carry the defense.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:00 am

I like the pick. It fills a need and I think he will be a solid pro.

You can't please everyone so, I figured there would be grumbling on the board.

I would have also been ok with King, Baker or Jones here.

There is a ton of talent left on the board that would fill the secondary needs. I fully expect a CB or safety taken in round two.

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Post by K_C_ » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:13 am

Jesus Christ just don't be ANYTHING like Jervis and I'll be happy.
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Post by Steelperch » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:28 am

From reading this thread I'm going to assume the fan base will soon drop the J from our draft pick's name...

It could be worse, we could be hearing about Takk's dead grandma and what he plays for over the next 5 years.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:39 am

Predict Mini Watt fails to have a big impact against good teams before Ben retires


If he helps us finally be able to win against bad teams that's still a plus :lol:

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:42 am

ironzabo wrote:This is HEATH 2.0 indeed. 100 %


Didn't Heath end up being one clutch bad mother fucker?

If Watt ends up being as good an OLB as Heath was at TE, we just hit the ball out of the park.

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Post by R_S » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:44 am

fortythree wrote:As long as he doesn't absolutely suck he'll be a fan favorite forever because he's white, is a linebacker, played at a Big Ten school, and his brother is good.


He will also be known as a "try hard guy" "ham n egger" no matter how athletic he is or what numbers he's put up in the combine...because he is white.

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R S wrote:
fortythree wrote:As long as he doesn't absolutely suck he'll be a fan favorite forever because he's white, is a linebacker, played at a Big Ten school, and his brother is good.


He will also be known as a "try hard guy" "ham n egger" no matter how athletic he is or what numbers he's put up in the combine...because he is white.


Yeah. It goes both ways. Racial bias is not unidirectional.

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Post by R_S » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:55 am

Zeke5123 wrote:
R S wrote:
fortythree wrote:As long as he doesn't absolutely suck he'll be a fan favorite forever because he's white, is a linebacker, played at a Big Ten school, and his brother is good.


He will also be known as a "try hard guy" "ham n egger" no matter how athletic he is or what numbers he's put up in the combine...because he is white.


Yeah. It goes both ways. Racial bias is not unidirectional.



I have major doubts Jarvis Jones would have been drafted that high had he put up those combine numbers as a honkey. MAJOR doubts. Actually, I guarantee it would not have happened.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:56 am

Zeke5123 wrote:
R S wrote:
fortythree wrote:As long as he doesn't absolutely suck he'll be a fan favorite forever because he's white, is a linebacker, played at a Big Ten school, and his brother is good.


He will also be known as a "try hard guy" "ham n egger" no matter how athletic he is or what numbers he's put up in the combine...because he is white.


Yeah. It goes both ways. Racial bias is not unidirectional.

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Post by Steelperch » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:57 am

Zeke5123 wrote:
R S wrote:
fortythree wrote:As long as he doesn't absolutely suck he'll be a fan favorite forever because he's white, is a linebacker, played at a Big Ten school, and his brother is good.


He will also be known as a "try hard guy" "ham n egger" no matter how athletic he is or what numbers he's put up in the combine...because he is white.


Yeah. It goes both ways. Racial bias is not unidirectional.

Watt is very athletic. Won't be long before someone compares him to another athletic white edge rusher like Mike Mamula.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:03 pm

SP wrote:Watt is very athletic. Won't be long before someone compares him to another athletic white edge rusher like Mike Mamula.

:lol:

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Post by FortyThree » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:04 pm

R S wrote:
fortythree wrote:As long as he doesn't absolutely suck he'll be a fan favorite forever because he's white, is a linebacker, played at a Big Ten school, and his brother is good.


He will also be known as a "try hard guy" "ham n egger" no matter how athletic he is or what numbers he's put up in the combine...because he is white.


I don't see anyone in here doing any of that.

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