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Post by Steeldrama » Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:13 pm

This thread is pretty damn funny.

I don’t think just ANY QB can succeed in the Kyle Shanahan or the McVay/McDaniel spin-offs of his offense, but I’m admittedly amused by the implication Kenny Pickett would not.

How would Brock Purdy look playing in the Tomlida offense? Behind Chuks and Mason freakin’ Cole?
Even the most ardent of Kenny haters knows how that scenario would play out.

I like Purdy. Kid can play. If just ANY QB could succeed in that offense, Kyle would not have approved the massive haul to acquire the oh so raw, Trey Lance.

All you ‘Bama haters said Tua would never make it in the NFL
Now he’s a front runner for the MVP playing in McDaniel’s version of the Shanny offense.
Tua and his concussion issues playing in Tomlida's offense? Behind Chuks and Mason freakin' Cole?
Even the most ardent of Kenny haters knows how that scenario would play out.

Yep. I’m no Kenny fanboy, but to imply Kenny wouldn’t be at least serviceable out in San Fran is pretty damn laughable.
GREAT system and not a weak spot at ANY position.

Most NFL QBs would kill to play in that offense.
Stafford said his much upon his trade to LA ito play in the McVay version of the Shanny offense.

“Kill Kenny” all ya want if it makes you feel better. It’s not all justified, however.
I’m not a Kenny fan either but I think he’d be at least decent with a legitimate OC let alone the best OC in the league ala Kyle Shanahan.


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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:14 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:47 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:33 pm
But WRs are open because he's throwing through tiny windows long before they're even open.
The fact they only run like 4 routes is extremely concerning. And it looks like Kenny is being programmed to see the guy open rather than throwing a guy open.

While it's easy to blame it all on Canada, this is extreme risk aversion even for Tomlin, and Kenny's limitations HAVE to be factoring into that.

JV coordinator with a less-than-pedestrian QB is a recipe for a historically bad offense.
I'm sure Kenny's limitations play a part.

....also the o-line's limitations and the receivers and RB's limitations.

Hell, folks here were screaming about DJ being the only receiver that consistently gets separation.

........he's kinda been missing since week 1. Freiermuth is a 3rd tier TE but he's the best we have. Darnell Washington looked lost yesterday.

This whole offense has extreme limitations and when your coordinator starts the first 2 drives using his patented "run up the gut", "run up the gut" and then "back shoulder throw" theme......well, you know.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:46 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:18 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:38 pm
Purdy is better than Kenny.

So what?

Tom Brady: pick 199 R6.

It happens.
Purdy looks great. Nobody would argue otherwise.

The thing is though....his supporting cast is the best in football. By a MILE.

The Niners literally HAVE NO FUCKING WEAKNESSES. At any position on the football field.

On either side of the ball, at every position, they are either the best in football or among the best in football.

Purdy has basically everything Kenny doesn't have. I mean EVERYFUCKINGTHING.

Purdy is human. When the rush gets to him, he'll throw shit up for grabs and panic, just like any other young QB.

So far Purdy has looked excellent but right now he can't be judged fairly.

With or without Purdy at this point, I could see the Niners having an undefeated regular season.

Yes, I think Sam Darnold could hand the ball to Christian McCaffrey, throw screens to McCaffrey, make the throws Purdy is making with very clean pockets, etc.

So no....I'm not crowning Purdy as an elite QB on THAT fucking team, but he absolutely looks very good.
People ignoring what surrounds Purdy are being idiots. And let's not forget the 49ers defense, either. That team is STACKED.

I just meant to point out: why did Steelers not draft Purdy? I don't know. Why did Brady last until 199? Some things can't be known.

Why did the Steelers grab AB in the sixth when no one else did?

And on and on.

I think that aspect of the conversation is dumb.

I don't watch college football.

Perch is saying KP sucked at Pitt and is showing the SAME PROBLEMS now. Not going to dismiss that.
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:53 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:46 pm
Perch is saying KP sucked at Pitt and is showing the SAME PROBLEMS now. Not going to dismiss that.
Pickett was so awful at Pitt he was the only 1st round QB chosen.

😂

The thing is, neither Kenny or Brock can be judged fairly at this point. At all. One has literally everything a young QB could want, while the other has virtually nothing.

Like it or not, that’s the reality.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:54 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:53 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:46 pm
Perch is saying KP sucked at Pitt and is showing the SAME PROBLEMS now. Not going to dismiss that.
Pickett was so awful at Pitt he was the only 1st round QB chosen.

😂

The thing is, neither Kenny or Brock can be judged fairly at this point. At all. One has literally everything a young QB could want, while the other has virtually nothing.

Like it or not, that’s the reality.
I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.
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Post by the-other-burg » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:08 pm

I'm looking through this thread, at all the praise being thrown at Brock Purdy. Presumably to provide a contrast to what we endure with our QB play on Sundays.

I dont need to say whats already been said, and cant be overstated, regarding the advantages Purdy has.

But what surprises me the most in reading this thread are the comments that try to make Purdy look like he's the reason the receivers are wide open. He's "throwing them open".. Yes, well when you have a long time to stand in the pocket, and look downfield, and make all your progressions you have that luxury of developing a rapport with your receivers and throwing a ball to open space.

Throwing a ball to open space (aka throwing receivers open) is a skill that a QB develops when he trusts the scheme and WR to be where theyre supposed to be. Otherwise, "throwing receivers open" becomes "throwing interceptions" and young QBs are coached not to do that.

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Post by Stillchest » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:13 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:54 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:53 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:46 pm
Perch is saying KP sucked at Pitt and is showing the SAME PROBLEMS now. Not going to dismiss that.
Pickett was so awful at Pitt he was the only 1st round QB chosen.

😂

The thing is, neither Kenny or Brock can be judged fairly at this point. At all. One has literally everything a young QB could want, while the other has virtually nothing.

Like it or not, that’s the reality.
I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.
Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.

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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:17 pm

Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:13 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:54 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:53 pm


Pickett was so awful at Pitt he was the only 1st round QB chosen.

😂

The thing is, neither Kenny or Brock can be judged fairly at this point. At all. One has literally everything a young QB could want, while the other has virtually nothing.

Like it or not, that’s the reality.
I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.
Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.
Well if the offense ever start playing well, see what we say then instead of predicting? Perhaps it would be more fair to say “hmm those guys who didn’t like that pick must be on to something.”

PS I was adamant about the Harris pick being garbage calling him a bust on draft night because taking a RB that high is idiotic. Was right then as well.

PSS if you look back, I said I didn’t like the Pickett pick but was fine giving him a shot. I was even saying that after week 1 this year. I’ve seen enough now.

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Post by the-other-burg » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:28 pm

Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:13 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:54 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:53 pm


Pickett was so awful at Pitt he was the only 1st round QB chosen.

😂

The thing is, neither Kenny or Brock can be judged fairly at this point. At all. One has literally everything a young QB could want, while the other has virtually nothing.

Like it or not, that’s the reality.
I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.
Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.
There's a term for this, its called Confirmation Bias:

"confirmation bias, people's tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. This biased approach to decision making is largely unintentional, and it results in a person ignoring information that is inconsistent with their beliefs."

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:47 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:54 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:53 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:46 pm
Perch is saying KP sucked at Pitt and is showing the SAME PROBLEMS now. Not going to dismiss that.
Pickett was so awful at Pitt he was the only 1st round QB chosen.

😂

The thing is, neither Kenny or Brock can be judged fairly at this point. At all. One has literally everything a young QB could want, while the other has virtually nothing.

Like it or not, that’s the reality.
I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.
I don’t think Perch is a football dumbass.

I think Perch (and others) were going to hate the next guy, who wasn’t Ben. No matter who it was. They’d never give that guy credit for anything and never see the other issues with the offense/coaching.

It’s more about being right for some than it is about rooting for the team.

I didn’t want Kenny Pickett when the Steelers drafted him and I don’t know if he’s the guy going forward….but I’m damn well rooting for him. Every fucking week until he’s no longer the QB and like a person with a working brain, I’m not going to blame him for everything going wrong with the Steelers offense.

It’s real simple actually.
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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:49 pm

We wouldn’t be hating on Kenny if he was worth a shit.
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:52 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:49 pm
We wouldn’t be hating on Kenny if he was worth a shit.
Yeah.

Yeah you would and Pickett is nowhere near as bad as the stupidity spewed about him here.

But at least you guys nearly having strokes (like IC probably had) every Sunday is hilarious.
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Post by Kodiak. » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:53 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:47 pm
They’d never give that guy credit for anything and never see the other issues with the offense/coaching.
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:57 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:53 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:47 pm
They’d never give that guy credit for anything and never see the other issues with the offense/coaching.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
😝 😆 😂

I know!!

It’s never about Pickett. It’s always about all the other issues plaguing this team.

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Post by Stillchest » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:00 pm

the-other-burg wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:28 pm
Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:13 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:54 pm


I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.
Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.
There's a term for this, its called Confirmation Bias:

"confirmation bias, people's tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. This biased approach to decision making is largely unintentional, and it results in a person ignoring information that is inconsistent with their beliefs."
Yes, that’s the term. Thank you.

Lots of confirmation bias involving the current Steelers QB. Most of these poasters are seemingly so miserable, I don’t know why they invest time in watching?! Same poasters who would rush to Ben’s defense, when he threw up clunkers, as well.

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Post by Deebo » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:02 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:53 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:46 pm
Perch is saying KP sucked at Pitt and is showing the SAME PROBLEMS now. Not going to dismiss that.
Pickett was so awful at Pitt he was the only 1st round QB chosen.

😂

The thing is, neither Kenny or Brock can be judged fairly at this point. At all. One has literally everything a young QB could want, while the other has virtually nothing.

Like it or not, that’s the reality.
Considering their recent first round picks, I'm not sure that's a ringing endorsement. Other teams had KP as a 3rd rounder.

Agree with your other statement though. Would love to magically swap them for a couple of games

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:02 pm

Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:00 pm
the-other-burg wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:28 pm
Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:13 pm


Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.
There's a term for this, its called Confirmation Bias:

"confirmation bias, people's tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. This biased approach to decision making is largely unintentional, and it results in a person ignoring information that is inconsistent with their beliefs."
Yes, that’s the term. Thank you.

Lots of confirmation bias involving the current Steelers QB. Most of these poasters are seemingly so miserable, I don’t know why they invest time in watching?! Same poasters who would rush to Ben’s defense, when he threw up clunkers, as well.
I loved the win yesterday after the KP8 to Pickens bomb just because of the misery here I knew it would cause.

😆
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:03 pm

the-other-burg wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:08 pm
I'm looking through this thread, at all the praise being thrown at Brock Purdy. Presumably to provide a contrast to what we endure with our QB play on Sundays.

I dont need to say whats already been said, and cant be overstated, regarding the advantages Purdy has.

But what surprises me the most in reading this thread are the comments that try to make Purdy look like he's the reason the receivers are wide open. He's "throwing them open".. Yes, well when you have a long time to stand in the pocket, and look downfield, and make all your progressions you have that luxury of developing a rapport with your receivers and throwing a ball to open space.

Throwing a ball to open space (aka throwing receivers open) is a skill that a QB develops when he trusts the scheme and WR to be where theyre supposed to be. Otherwise, "throwing receivers open" becomes "throwing interceptions" and young QBs are coached not to do that.
He's not holding the ball, though. He's possibly the fastest processor/fastest at going through his reads. What makes me think he is an important part of their success is that trait.

He may very well not be good in Pittsburgh with such a static and risk-averse system, but that's no guarantee Pickett would be as successful in SF.

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Post by Stillchest » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:05 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:57 pm
Kodiak. wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:53 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:47 pm
They’d never give that guy credit for anything and never see the other issues with the offense/coaching.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
😝 😆 😂

I know!!

It’s never about Pickett. It’s always about all the other issues plaguing this team.

😉
There have been numerous people, JT O’Sullivan…Alex Kozora , and ex-NFL players who have openly criticized the Steelers offensive schematics, and Canada’s play calling.
You know, people who know more about football schematics than the poasters on this board.

Coaching matters and the Steelers are well below the line in that department, obviously.

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Post by Pabst » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:06 pm

Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:00 pm
Most of these poasters are seemingly so miserable, I don’t know why they invest time in watching?!
Yeah...this is the part I don't quite get. I like to debate as much as the next guy, and lord knows I get carried away sometimes, but I just cannot understand the wallowing-in-misery mindset.

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Post by Stillchest » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:09 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:02 pm
Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:00 pm
the-other-burg wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:28 pm


There's a term for this, its called Confirmation Bias:

"confirmation bias, people's tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. This biased approach to decision making is largely unintentional, and it results in a person ignoring information that is inconsistent with their beliefs."
Yes, that’s the term. Thank you.

Lots of confirmation bias involving the current Steelers QB. Most of these poasters are seemingly so miserable, I don’t know why they invest time in watching?! Same poasters who would rush to Ben’s defense, when he threw up clunkers, as well.
I loved the win yesterday after the KP8 to Pickens bomb just because of the misery here I knew it would cause.

😆
Yeah, me too.

That’s such a strange psychology, continually hating on a player, even when they’re successful and the team wins.

There are some poasters here with some brain problems.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:11 pm

Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:05 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:57 pm
Kodiak. wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:53 pm


:lol: :lol: :lol:
😝 😆 😂

I know!!

It’s never about Pickett. It’s always about all the other issues plaguing this team.

😉
There have been numerous people, JT O’Sullivan…Alex Kozora , and ex-NFL players who have openly criticized the Steelers offensive schematics, and Canada’s play calling.
You know, people who know more about football schematics than the poasters on this board.

Coaching matters and the Steelers are well below the line in that department, obviously.
And they've criticized Kenny Pickett plenty, too!

Furthermore, every major analyst out there thinks Mike Tomlin is a fantastic football coach... do you agree with their authority?

I don't have a hate agenda, other than for having to watch the crime against humanity that is the offense the HC seems unable to live without, the OC seems only able to provide, and which the QB helps run into the ground.

Pickett isn't necessarily the cause, he's just the cherry on top.

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Post by Stillchest » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:12 pm

Pabst wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:06 pm
Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:00 pm
Most of these poasters are seemingly so miserable, I don’t know why they invest time in watching?!
Yeah...this is the part I don't quite get. I like to debate as much as the next guy, and lord knows I get carried away sometimes, but I just cannot understand the wallowing-in-misery mindset.
Yeah, there is a psychology behind it.

You would think, if you’re not enjoying something (excluding constant bitching) you would go find something more enjoyable?!

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Post by Pabst » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:12 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:57 pm
It’s never about Pickett. It’s always about all the other issues plaguing this team.
If it were *only* Pickett missing open WRs and bailing on good pockets, then fine. But...
- The o-line has been a sieve in pass pro
- The running game has been flat
- Receivers cannot get open
- The #1 WR and TE are both hurt

And last (but not least): We're all making the same complaints about the stale offensive scheme/concepts that we were making under Ben and Mitch.


Did people just memory-hole the fact that Ben looked like a drooling idiot for 3/4 of the game in his final season? I get that he went Superman in the 4th quarter of games, but he was a 17 year vet at that point. Of course he had a good command of how to run an NFL offense on the fly. No 2nd year QB is going to do that.

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Post by Stillchest » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:18 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:11 pm
Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:05 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:57 pm


😝 😆 😂

I know!!

It’s never about Pickett. It’s always about all the other issues plaguing this team.

😉
There have been numerous people, JT O’Sullivan…Alex Kozora , and ex-NFL players who have openly criticized the Steelers offensive schematics, and Canada’s play calling.
You know, people who know more about football schematics than the poasters on this board.

Coaching matters and the Steelers are well below the line in that department, obviously.
And they've criticized Kenny Pickett plenty, too!

Furthermore, every major analyst out there thinks Mike Tomlin is a fantastic football coach... do you agree with their authority?

I don't have a hate agenda, other than for having to watch the crime against humanity that is the offense the HC seems unable to live without, the OC seems only able to provide, and which the QB helps run into the ground.

Pickett isn't necessarily the cause, he's just the cherry on top.
“fantastic football coach.”

Just that his players rave about him but imo, of course they do. I mean, he’s the cool uncle/father type that fist bumps.

I think that’s why the media goes to bat for Tomlin. The players love him, so the media backs him.

In terms of football schematics, Tomlin is a fucking dinosaur and because of this, the Steelers will likely, never win a goddamn thing of relevance until he is no longer HC.

Coaches have an expiration date and Tomlin is proof of that.

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:21 pm

Pabst wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:12 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:57 pm
It’s never about Pickett. It’s always about all the other issues plaguing this team.
If it were *only* Pickett missing open WRs and bailing on good pockets, then fine. But...
- The o-line has been a sieve in pass pro
- The running game has been flat
- Receivers cannot get open
- The #1 WR and TE are both hurt

And last (but not least): We're all making the same complaints about the stale offensive scheme/concepts that we were making under Ben and Mitch.


Did people just memory-hole the fact that Ben looked like a drooling idiot for 3/4 of the game in his final season? I get that he went Superman in the 4th quarter of games, but he was a 17 year vet at that point. Of course he had a good command of how to run an NFL offense on the fly. No 2nd year QB is going to do that.
Stop Making Sense.

....which I just saw in the theater 2 days ago for the first time since 1984 and it was even better than I remembered.

Also, I tried to bring up Ben's final year under Canada and there's no point. Kenny has been flat-out bad at times, no fucking question about it but I have a vivid memory of forcing my family to watch the Steelers/Titans game in Disney World during a family vacation.

Among the ugliest offense I've ever seen.

The second half of the Seahawks game that TJ Watt won all by himself.

Pickett has a ton of warts right now. No one in their right mind would argue otherwise but like you mentioned (you actually missed something....the o-line can't run block either) the entire offense is a mess....with coaching, in my book, being at the very top of the list of fuck ups.

If Matt Canada scripted the first 2 drives of that game yesterday, he must have had a toddler draw up those plays.
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Post by 955876 » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:31 pm

I’m pretty happy we won. I mean come on, it’s the Ravens.

At the same time, I’m under no illusion that this team is anywhere close to being competitive in the postseason.

Not with this woeful offense.

The goal is to win playoff games and ideally compete for a championship. This team is t close to being able to do that.

So nice win buuuuut, the same issues exist with this team and many here realize they won’t get fixed.

Because this staff doesn’t see the problem.

That game yesterday was exactly how Tomlin wants to win games.

He won’t recognize that the Ravens multiple drops and boneheaded move to not kick the FG aided greatly in our win.

Instead he will use it as justification for his process.

Which is clearly substandard but will continue.

I have zero expectations for the remainder of the year.

Just want to see KP get better. Because if he doesn’t this team I’d screwed for the foreseeable future.

Zero chance they give up on a hometown QB they burned a 1st rounder on until his contract is up.
Jibba Jabber’s offense hasn’t scored more than 7 1st quarter points in 84 consecutive games. An NFL record by far. A historic amount of “easin in”. We are lucky to have him.

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Post by Stillchest » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:33 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:21 pm
Pabst wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:12 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:57 pm
It’s never about Pickett. It’s always about all the other issues plaguing this team.
If it were *only* Pickett missing open WRs and bailing on good pockets, then fine. But...
- The o-line has been a sieve in pass pro
- The running game has been flat
- Receivers cannot get open
- The #1 WR and TE are both hurt

And last (but not least): We're all making the same complaints about the stale offensive scheme/concepts that we were making under Ben and Mitch.


Did people just memory-hole the fact that Ben looked like a drooling idiot for 3/4 of the game in his final season? I get that he went Superman in the 4th quarter of games, but he was a 17 year vet at that point. Of course he had a good command of how to run an NFL offense on the fly. No 2nd year QB is going to do that.
Stop Making Sense.

....which I just saw in the theater 2 days ago for the first time since 1984 and it was even better than I remembered.

Also, I tried to bring up Ben's final year under Canada and there's no point. Kenny has been flat-out bad at times, no fucking question about it but I have a vivid memory of forcing my family to watch the Steelers/Titans game in Disney World during a family vacation.

Among the ugliest offense I've ever seen.

The second half of the Seahawks game that TJ Watt won all by himself.

Pickett has a ton of warts right now. No one in their right mind would argue otherwise but like you mentioned (you actually missed something....the o-line can't run block either) the entire offense is a mess....with coaching, in my book, being at the very top of the list of fuck ups.

If Matt Canada scripted the first 2 drives of that game yesterday, he must have had a toddler draw up those plays.
Great points.

Sadly, this coaching staff could fuck up many player’s success. I think of the few good players we have, players who have been excellent from day one, and there are only a few.

Watt, Minkah, and Heyward.

Saban said, Minkah is the best football players he has ever coached at BAMA, and Watt, Heyward have exceptional football genes.

Other than those players, (maybe Highsmith) who has the coaching staff developed into solid NFL starters?

Look at the young players on offense. Do you think any of them will get the coaching needed that’s crucial to their football development?

KP has been awful but so have most of his supporting cast and the coaches are failing this team.

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Post by the-other-burg » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:47 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:03 pm
the-other-burg wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:08 pm
I'm looking through this thread, at all the praise being thrown at Brock Purdy. Presumably to provide a contrast to what we endure with our QB play on Sundays.

I dont need to say whats already been said, and cant be overstated, regarding the advantages Purdy has.

But what surprises me the most in reading this thread are the comments that try to make Purdy look like he's the reason the receivers are wide open. He's "throwing them open".. Yes, well when you have a long time to stand in the pocket, and look downfield, and make all your progressions you have that luxury of developing a rapport with your receivers and throwing a ball to open space.

Throwing a ball to open space (aka throwing receivers open) is a skill that a QB develops when he trusts the scheme and WR to be where theyre supposed to be. Otherwise, "throwing receivers open" becomes "throwing interceptions" and young QBs are coached not to do that.
He's not holding the ball, though. He's possibly the fastest processor/fastest at going through his reads. What makes me think he is an important part of their success is that trait.

He may very well not be good in Pittsburgh with such a static and risk-averse system, but that's no guarantee Pickett would be as successful in SF.
Maybe he’s not even going through all his reads, could be a well disguised single read option and his primary target is more often than not getting enough separation. The respect the defense needs to give to their running game opens a lot of space in between the hashes.

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Post by Steelperch » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:56 pm

Stillchest wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:13 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:54 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:53 pm


Pickett was so awful at Pitt he was the only 1st round QB chosen.

😂

The thing is, neither Kenny or Brock can be judged fairly at this point. At all. One has literally everything a young QB could want, while the other has virtually nothing.

Like it or not, that’s the reality.
I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.
Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.
It’s not about “supporting” Kenny Pickett or not. I’m the only guy here with a fucking pair of Kenny Pickett socks. I gave an honest evaluation of him before the Steelers drafted him after watching the guy play extensively at Pitt for 5 years. Through two seasons, plus those 5, what I said was spot on. I’d be a lot happier if I was wrong. The bigger issue is we all know how the organization is. They’re overly patient and loyal. Kenny is a good guy and works hard. That goes a long way. He can be the 28th rated passer in the NFL the next few years and still get an extension prolonging the rebuild. That should piss all of you guys off. Did you see what the Giants did with Daniel Jones? That’s your future, Steelers fans!

The Purdy stuff is pretty wild too. There are a couple of #3 overall picks out there in SF that looked like shit in that offense with the same weapons and coaching. Purdy is #1 in the NFL in fitting balls into tight windows. He’s the top rated passer in the game. He’s the NFL MVP through 5 weeks. He’s never lost a game he started and finished. Purdy deserves a hell of a lot more credit than saying he’s just some stiff in a great system. The Packers, Rams and Texans all run that offensive system, none of their QBs are playing nearly as well as Purdy.

Kenny Pickett critiques I’ve given are spot on. His accuracy is not great. His pocket presence is not great. He will take off and run to the sidelines or tuck and go fetal before stepping into a pass and taking a hit. He is not reading the field well or progressing through reads. His stats back up the evaluation. The tape supports it. He’s had ample time to improve and hasn’t. Canada is only part of the problem. Pickett is the other. It’s not about pre draft evaluation. It’s about facts. Every national pundit and former player who watches the tape has the same opinions of Pickett.

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