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Re: Wow. Steelers fired Canada

Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 pm

Maybe Canada is an asset in the kitchen and can now focus on helping his wife with the turkey.

Fuck him

Hope he has pumpkin pie and doesn’t realize they forgot whipped cream until it’s too late



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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:24 pm

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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:30 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 pm
Maybe Canada is an asset in the kitchen and can now focus on helping his wife with the turkey.

Fuck him

Hope he has pumpkin pie and doesn’t realize they forgot whipped cream until it’s too late
Canada probably doesn’t score with his wife either.

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Post by Stillerz Bar » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:31 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:08 pm
Kenny Pickett = Coach Killer
I'd argue
Matt Canada = QB killer

He had multiple QBs start in this Offense from HOFer Big Ben to Mason to Mitch to Kenny P and regardless of the QB, the Offense went nowhere. In his multi-year tenure, his team NEVER had 400 yards of Offense. No matter how bad your QBs are, that is a huge indictment on the OC.

I don't know if Kenny ever had a chance to be good or not but we may never know. He certainly wasn't coached up and this Offensive scheme did him (or any other QB) no favors.

I doubt there will be any significant changes this year as it's hard to change mid season so the next big question is whether you give him a season under a real OC or not.

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:33 pm

In all seriousness... despite the numerous obvious problems and other problems that one could say were obvious tea leaves, examples such as
1) Other teams yelling out loud enough for the mics to pick up that "It's the same damn plays".
2) Other teams giving post game interviews on knowing exactly what the Steelers were going to run.
3) According to statistics, last in the league in open guys
4) A second year in which the running game had to get back to basic things every team also does to start running effectively
5) Numerous outbursts over the past 2 years from players and frustration with the offense.
6) "Meetings" where offensive lineman have to get together to go over with a coach on what's not working.

The biggest strike to me, is a practice squad guy who talked about a complete lack of detail not only in the Steelers playbook (in comparison to the one he had at Green Bay), but also a lack of detail or knowledge when asking coaches about that detail.

This is the biggest failure of Matt Canada. Everyone sits here and picks apart what "could be" open during a play, and we talk about why Pickett is missing them...

I think the reason is, there isn't anyone in this offense, QB included, who has any idea of the purpose, direction, goal of any given play. There are no reads... there are no route adjustments... they don't exist. When Dionte Johnson says on twitter "I ran the route I was supposed to", that's because there was no other route. Matt Canada wrote a high school offense, used it in college, failed... and then was installed as offensive coordinator of the Steelers because he recurited Mike Tomlin's kid at Maryland.

Players know, they see it... some of them probably came from more complicated and complete offenses with far more attention to detail in college, and having to answer to Matt Canada had to be frustrating.

It may take a bit to break through and gain that level of NFL detail this offense needs, but this was step 1, you had to get rid of the guy.

A friend has a family member whose name you probably know in the org, this guy said everyone hates Canada... but he's Tomlin's guy. To me, this tells me someone doesn't want Tomlin to have the control he once enjoyed.
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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:35 pm

Stillerz Bar wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:31 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:08 pm
Kenny Pickett = Coach Killer
I'd argue
Matt Canada = QB killer

He had multiple QBs start in this Offense from HOFer Big Ben to Mason to Mitch to Kenny P and regardless of the QB, the Offense went nowhere. In his multi-year tenure, his team NEVER had 400 yards of Offense. No matter how bad your QBs are, that is a huge indictment on the OC.

I don't know if Kenny ever had a chance to be good or not but we may never know. He certainly wasn't coached up and this Offensive scheme did him (or any other QB) no favors.

I doubt there will be any significant changes this year as it's hard to change mid season so the next big question is whether you give him a season under a real OC or not.
This is where I land too. My guess is that if KP8 shows meaningful improvement over the rest of the season he gets next year. Big if at the moment. And the leash is not getting any longer, that’s for sure.

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:36 pm

Stillerz Bar wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:31 pm

He had multiple QBs start in this Offense from HOFer Big Ben to Mason to Mitch to Kenny P and regardless of the QB, the Offense went nowhere. In his multi-year tenure, his team NEVER had 400 yards of Offense. No matter how bad your QBs are, that is a huge indictment on the OC.
The same problems with different QB's.... not utilizing the middle of the field

Ben - final year
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https% ... ee1e163c17

Mitch Trubinsky game against the browns
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdT6KXUWYAA ... me=900x900


This wasn't something because of Pickett... it was Canada's offense.
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Post by CKSteeler » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:37 pm

ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:33 pm
The biggest strike to me, is a practice squad guy who talked about a complete lack of detail not only in the Steelers playbook (in comparison to the one he had at Green Bay), but also a lack of detail or knowledge when asking coaches about that detail
I'd contend till the day that I die that Mike Tomlin signed off on all that. He's seen what NFL offenses are supposed to look like. He coached with Jon Gruden. If the Steelers offense was simple like caveman technology imported to today, then that's on the head coach just as much as the offensive coordinator.

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:47 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:37 pm
ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:33 pm
The biggest strike to me, is a practice squad guy who talked about a complete lack of detail not only in the Steelers playbook (in comparison to the one he had at Green Bay), but also a lack of detail or knowledge when asking coaches about that detail
I'd contend till the day that I die that Mike Tomlin signed off on all that. He's seen what NFL offenses are supposed to look like. He coached with Jon Gruden. If the Steelers offense was simple like caveman technology imported to today, then that's on the head coach just as much as the offensive coordinator.
Cetainly... but we always assume the best... its entirely possible that Tomlin isn't the X's and O's guy he's said to be... he did tell Najee that it wasn't necessary to go over tape with him. Why not? Below him? or he's not the guy for it?
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Post by RemoAZ » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:50 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 pm
Maybe Canada is an asset in the kitchen and can now focus on helping his wife with the turkey.

Fuck him

Hope he has pumpkin pie and doesn’t realize they forgot whipped cream until it’s too late
Now that's going too far. Everyone knows pumpkin pie should be eaten 25% pie, 75% whipped cream.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:58 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 pm
Maybe Canada is an asset in the kitchen and can now focus on helping his wife with the turkey.

Fuck him

Hope he has pumpkin pie and doesn’t realize they forgot whipped cream until it’s too late
Dear god, man, he’s still a human being!
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:00 pm

RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:50 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 pm
Maybe Canada is an asset in the kitchen and can now focus on helping his wife with the turkey.

Fuck him

Hope he has pumpkin pie and doesn’t realize they forgot whipped cream until it’s too late
Now that's going too far. Everyone knows pumpkin pie should be eaten 25% pie, 75% whipped cream.
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“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:12 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 pm
Maybe Canada is an asset in the kitchen and can now focus on helping his wife with the turkey.

Fuck him

Hope he has pumpkin pie and doesn’t realize they forgot whipped cream until it’s too late

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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:17 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:00 pm
RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:50 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 pm
Maybe Canada is an asset in the kitchen and can now focus on helping his wife with the turkey.

Fuck him

Hope he has pumpkin pie and doesn’t realize they forgot whipped cream until it’s too late
Now that's going too far. Everyone knows pumpkin pie should be eaten 25% pie, 75% whipped cream.
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Post by Baltostiller » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:17 pm

With the same idiot cool shades in charge, noting will change... Enjoy shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic!

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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:17 pm

RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:50 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 pm
Maybe Canada is an asset in the kitchen and can now focus on helping his wife with the turkey.

Fuck him

Hope he has pumpkin pie and doesn’t realize they forgot whipped cream until it’s too late
Now that's going too far. Everyone knows pumpkin pie should be eaten 25% pie, 75% whipped cream.
Pretty much yep

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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:20 pm

Baltostiller wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:17 pm
With the same idiot cool shades in charge, noting will change... Enjoy shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic!
You mean our first ballot HOF HC who we routinely take for granted?

The guy whose coaching tree litters other coaching staffs with incredible talent?

The guy who is the only HC in the league to employ “time pressure” on his opponents?

The guy who hasn’t won a playoff game in almost 7 years? (1/15/17)

That guy?

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Post by cop1211 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:22 pm

Championship

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Post by BouldernBun » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:53 pm

Fucking fantastic. One down, one to go.

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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:55 pm

BouldernBun wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:53 pm
Fucking fantastic. One down, one to go.
Teryl Austin is doing a good job.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:01 pm

Smashmouth21 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:55 pm
BouldernBun wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:53 pm
Fucking fantastic. One down, one to go.
Teryl Austin is doing a good job.
Define good job

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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:05 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:01 pm
Smashmouth21 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:55 pm
BouldernBun wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:53 pm
Fucking fantastic. One down, one to go.
Teryl Austin is doing a good job.
Define good job
Edit: Top 7 in PPG allowed.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:11 pm

Smashmouth21 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:05 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:01 pm
Smashmouth21 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:55 pm

Teryl Austin is doing a good job.
Define good job
Edit: Top 7 in PPG allowed.
27th in yardage allowed

I can cherry pick also

Kenny Pickett only has 4 Int’s on the season

He must be good

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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:17 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:11 pm
Smashmouth21 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:05 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:01 pm


Define good job
Edit: Top 7 in PPG allowed.
27th in yardage allowed

I can cherry pick also

Kenny Pickett only has 4 Int’s on the season

He must be good
I don’t think using points scored is cherry picking but it’s ok if you disagree.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:21 pm

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Edit: Top 7 in PPG allowed.
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27th in yardage allowed

I can cherry pick also

Kenny Pickett only has 4 Int’s on the season

He must be good
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I don’t think using points scored is cherry picking but it’s ok if you disagree.
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Well if you feel the bend but don’t break style of defense we play is good, we definitely don’t agree.

In recent weeks, see end of GB game…they almost let Love drive the field in 59 seconds

And last week, let a fucking rookie in his first start drive for the game winning FG

But yeah…Austin is crushing it

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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:34 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:21 pm
Smashmouth21 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:17 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:11 pm
27th in yardage allowed

I can cherry pick also

Kenny Pickett only has 4 Int’s on the season

He must be good
I don’t think using points scored is cherry picking but it’s ok if you disagree.
Well if you feel the bend but don’t break style of defense we play is good, we definitely don’t agree.

In recent weeks, see end of GB game…they almost let Love drive the field in 59 seconds

And last week, let a fucking rookie in his first start drive for the game winning FG

But yeah…Austin is crushing it
You’re really complaining about games in which the defense gave up 19 and 13 points? Despite missing critical players and getting no help from the offense whatsoever. Defense is not the problem.

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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:34 pm

Duplicate post
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Post by langer » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:35 pm

Most are middling numbers.

Granted, the PIT O barely gives them a break and Minkah has been out.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:36 pm

Where did I say “it’s the problem?”

You said Austin is doing a good job.

I disagree.

And the last two QBs we faced are awesome right?

How about what Purdy and Stroud did to this defense?

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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:39 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:36 pm
Where did I say “it’s the problem?”

You said Austin is doing a good job.

I disagree.

And the last two QBs we faced are awesome right?

How about what Purdy and Stroud did to this defense?
Now who’s cherry picking?

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