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Re: Purdy lousy

Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:03 pm

Deebo wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:44 pm
Pabst wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:26 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:51 pm
No one made Purdy out to be anything spectacular


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Almost the 1 year anniversary of that post.

That's a big ooof
How is it a big oof? Did Purdy not have a great season? Did he not come 1 Mahomes drive from being SB champ? Was he not MVP worthy?

Let’s look at the leagues last 10 MVP QBs vs Purdy last season. Out of those 11 QB seasons his would rank
1st in YPA
2nd in comp%
6th in passing yards
5th in QB Rating
9th in TD Passes

So basically 2023 Brock Purdy was about the average of the MVP seasons of Mahomes, Brady, Ryan, Rodgers, Jackson & Newton. The medias love affair with Lamar’s athleticism and Purdy being a 7th round pick is what held him back from getting votes.

Oof indeed.



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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:12 pm

Pabst wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:26 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:51 pm
No one made Purdy out to be anything spectacular


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The thing you and the other dum dums don’t seem to get is no one said he was a great qb

Just that he was a 7th rounder outperforming Kenny Touchdown

By a lot

Lolololz
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Post by Pabst » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:14 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:03 pm
How is it a big oof?
Original post: "No one made Purdy out to be anything spectacular"

Last year at this exact time: "Purdy is a God"


Dunno. Strikes me as a big oof

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Post by Pabst » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:16 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:12 pm
Pabst wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:26 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:51 pm
No one made Purdy out to be anything spectacular


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22030&start=120

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The thing you and the other dum dums don’t seem to get is no one said he was a great qb

Just that he was a 7th rounder outperforming Kenny Touchdown

By a lot

Lolololz
We called him a "God", hyped him up for MVP, and have spent a good chunk of today defending him against claims that he's the product of a system.

Also, no, no one here thinks he's anything special.

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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:18 pm

Pabst wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:14 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:03 pm
How is it a big oof?
Original post: "No one made Purdy out to be anything spectacular"

Last year at this exact time: "Purdy is a God"


Dunno. Strikes me as a big oof
You miss the context of a snide comment directed at people here who hated Purdy because Pickett sucked ass and was their hero.

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Post by 955876 » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:18 pm

:x
Just that he was a 7th rounder outperforming Kenny Touchdown

By a lot
Ya but but Kenny Ouckett would have been a HOFer with all those weapons and in that system.

Riiiiight. Or so his ball washers dream.

KP (1) processes too slow, and (2) is afraid to pull the trigger.

Purdy processes things quickly and then gets it out on time and on target.

Lots of QBs looked like shit in Shanahan’s system.

He ran it perfectly though.

These same people likely think Justin Fields would succeed there too.
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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:21 pm

Since we’re digging up old posts, let’s look at the first comment some of us made the day we drafted Kenny Pickett

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Post by Pabst » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:26 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:18 pm
You miss the context of a snide comment directed at people here who hated Purdy because Pickett sucked ass and was their hero.
Oh, I caught the snide. I just view all the white knighting for Purdy on this board as the opposite extreme.

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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:31 pm

955876 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:18 pm
:x
Just that he was a 7th rounder outperforming Kenny Touchdown

By a lot
Ya but but Kenny Ouckett would have been a HOFer with all those weapons and in that system.

Riiiiight. Or so his ball washers dream.

KP (1) processes too slow, and (2) is afraid to pull the trigger.

Purdy processes things quickly and then gets it out on time and on target.

Lots of QBs looked like shit in Shanahan’s system.

He ran it perfectly though.

These same people likely think Justin Fields would succeed there too.

Yes Purdy would succeed in any competent offense. He might struggle in a bad one, but he damn sure can excel in a good one. Pickett would succeed in none. He is spineless, inaccurate, and doesn’t read a defense well. You wouldn’t have know that reading the game day thread here the past 3 years. He was Marino 2.0 to some.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:34 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:27 pm
Steeldrama wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:13 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:56 pm


Purdy is way more than a product of the talent around him. He's a perfect fit for that offense and for distributing the ball.

I think SF got overenamored with running the ball and haven't been throwing as much on early downs as they should in a season without McCaffery.
Injury riddled team don't blame Shanny for getting conservative.

Chief among them Purdy bodyguard Trent Williams.

Losing Aiyuk was brutal.

Deebo Samuel is fat and slow.

I like Purdy

He's no quitter Kenny.
Facts. His best wideout held out, then came back out of football shape and was lost for the year to injury. His top RB has hardly seen the field all year. The backup RB is on IR. The top LT has had injuries all year. Starting TE missed 2 games. His #2 WR is playing like shit and looks like he lost a step. #3 WR got shot before the season. Four of their top defenders have missed significant time with injuries or went on IR.

All of that has forced Purdy out of being the efficient QB he is and made him force passes he wouldn’t ordinarily have to causing his numbers to slide a bit. He is still a very good QB. He will never be gifted physically like Josh Allen or Mahomes, but given a good roster he can compete with any of those guys.

Oh, and he’s thrown more TD passes in 12 games of his “down year” than Kenny Pickett has thrown in his entire 3 year NFL career. :lol:
I agree with ALL of this... exvcept Jawuan Jennings has been their WR2 for at least a year now. That guy is a really good player.

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Post by K_C_ » Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:05 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:19 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:10 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:17 pm
How quickly people forget Purdy engineered two go-ahead scoring drives in the 4th quarter of a Super Bowl less than a year ago.

Weird flex wanting to see an undersized Mr Irrelevant fail. Even weirder to bookmark some old posts and bring them back up two years later when the guy loses a few games with a beat to hell roster. Some people hitched their wagons to Kenny Pickett and still can’t let it go. Sad. :lol:
Dude…..please.

When Purdy engineered those drives, he had All Pros and Pro Bowlers surrounding him at literally every position on both sides of the ball.

He also has a genius level offensive mind as a head coach.

Purdy is little, has decent mobility and makes good decisions.

If the 49ers break the bank for him, which I pray they do, as they are indeed headed for one helluva rebuild, that contract will be dumber than Miami giving Tua big dollars.

Holy shit.

:lol:
Well why didn’t Trey Lance excel with the same supporting cast? The QB still gotta make the plays. He processes better than 90% of the QBs in the league and his accuracy is up there too. Those are traits a little guy like Drew Brees played at a high level with for a long time. Not saying to give Purdy a top 5 QB contract, but they’ll be worse off if they let him walk.
Because Purdy made better decisions with the ball, ala Chad Pennington.

When you are surrounded by superstars, you don't need to do much at all.

Purdy handed off to McCaffrey at his absolute pinnacle and watched him go.

When defenses were scared shitless of McCaffrey, Purdy would drop back and either dump the ball off to McCaffrery or he would throw it to George Kittle, Brandon Aiyuk or Deebo Samuel, WITH A FUCKING WALL OF PROTECTION IN FRONT OF HIM AND A RIDICULOUS DEFENSE GETTING HIM THE BALL BACK WITH SHORT FIELDS.

Again, Purdy surprised on the 49ers and would be a decent to maybe good QB on any other team, but like I tried to tell you 2 years ago, Purdy wasn't surrounded by good to great talent on both sides of the ball...no sir.

PURDY WAS SURROUNDED BY THE FINEST TALENT IN THE LEAGUE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL.

I have and had no problem with you shitting on Pickett (Kenny deserved it. He failed), but if you put Purdy in Mike Tomlin and Matt Canada's system with the same supporting cast, well.......you know.

Unless you're bullshitting.

Purdy would have FAILED MISERABLY in Pittsburgh, just like Pickett did....and it's hilarious to watch that happening now in real time, when Brock's supporting cast isn't superstar level.

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Post by K_C_ » Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:09 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:34 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:27 pm
Steeldrama wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:13 pm


Injury riddled team don't blame Shanny for getting conservative.

Chief among them Purdy bodyguard Trent Williams.

Losing Aiyuk was brutal.

Deebo Samuel is fat and slow.

I like Purdy

He's no quitter Kenny.
Facts. His best wideout held out, then came back out of football shape and was lost for the year to injury. His top RB has hardly seen the field all year. The backup RB is on IR. The top LT has had injuries all year. Starting TE missed 2 games. His #2 WR is playing like shit and looks like he lost a step. #3 WR got shot before the season. Four of their top defenders have missed significant time with injuries or went on IR.

All of that has forced Purdy out of being the efficient QB he is and made him force passes he wouldn’t ordinarily have to causing his numbers to slide a bit. He is still a very good QB. He will never be gifted physically like Josh Allen or Mahomes, but given a good roster he can compete with any of those guys.

Oh, and he’s thrown more TD passes in 12 games of his “down year” than Kenny Pickett has thrown in his entire 3 year NFL career. :lol:
I agree with ALL of this... exvcept Jawuan Jennings has been their WR2 for at least a year now. That guy is a really good player.
Well sir, we will find out what kind of contract Brock Purdy signs with the 49ers.

......and even more importantly, how Brock Purdy fairs in years to come, during a nearly complete rebuild.

I'll be watching real, real close.

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Post by Pabst » Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:11 pm

For the record, "Kenny Pickett sucks" and "Brock Purdy is a meh QB surrounded by elite talent/system" are not mutually exclusive positions.

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Post by 955876 » Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:26 pm

Pabst wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:11 pm
For the record, "Kenny Pickett sucks" and "Brock Purdy is a meh QB surrounded by elite talent/system" are not mutually exclusive positions.
Exactly.

This root of this issue is that a few posters had KP destined for the HOF after that meaningless preseason where he looked pretty good.

They then took any compliments toward Purdy as a “ya but he’d suck here too” opportunity as they were very butthurt over it.

Reality is that Purdy processes better than Pickett and while he’d be no Big Ben here, he’d still outperform KP by simply reading the D better and getting it out on time.

Something KP struggled mightily with.

Purdy is a smarter and better QB than KP. Period.

Did he have a great cast? Sure. It the QB is still responsible for reading the D and getting the ball out on time and on target.

Joe Montana would not have won 4 SBs in Pittsburgh in the 80s had he played here vs the cast he had in SF.

Does that mean Montana wasn’t better than Malone or Brister?

Clearly he was.

A couple of Pickett ball washers still have their panties in a bunch.
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Post by Steelafan77 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:25 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:34 pm
Jawuan Jennings has been their WR2 for at least a year now. That guy is a really good player.
This is who I was hoping Khan was eyeballing. Kid is going to be damn good!

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Post by CKSteeler » Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:58 am

I'm still firmly in the camp that believes Purdy is going to have a long and successful career.

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Post by 955876 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:38 am

Is this stats project worthy?
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Sat Dec 14, 2024 5:13 am

CKSteeler wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:58 am
I'm still firmly in the camp that believes Purdy is going to have a long and successful career.
I think I am in this camp. He was still pretty decent on Thursday Night and was just a couple dropped balls away from opening the game up with miserable conditions.

He will have to guard against having a crisis of confidence. Couple more bad outcomes, press and coaches say the wrong things who knows.

This thread also points to an argument that is bubbling under the surface depending on how this Steelers season turns out….If playoff games are won, then the question becomes, what percentage of TomBert was holding the team back and what percentage of TomKhan has unlocked things?

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Post by K_C_ » Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:35 am

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Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:01 pm
Not even sure what the debate is here.

Purdy struggling a bit now make KP any better?

Let’s not pretend like KP didn’t have plenty of open WRs he either never saw or was unable to pull the trigger on.

What Purdy did in that offense as Mr Irrelevant is impressive.

What KP did here wasn’t.

Both can be true while recognizing Purdy is in a better system that had better talent.

What KP has shown he lacks vs Purdy is the ability to make decisions quic and then put the ball where it needs to be accurately and on time.
For all but 2 games, Kenny Pickett's offensive coordinator was Matt Canada....and Pickett played in a Mike Tomlin, ultra-conservative offense and was obviously taught to play it safe at all costs. Ben Roethlisberger was pretty fuckin' open about his hatred of playing in Matt Canada's offense.

Also, for Kenny Pickett's entire career in Pittsburgh, his #1 receiver was Diontae Johnson and also a young and inexperienced George Pickens.

Pickett's o-line sucked his rookie year for over half a season and TJ Watt was lost for the majority of that year. Still, Tomlin got his beloved NHALS. Pickett actually showed improvement the second half of his rookie season but looked like a different player in year 2. Even more indecisive and if his first read wasn't open, Pickett would either spin to his left or run. He would stand in and make plays as a rookie and looked scared shitless to do that in year 2. That's coaching and Kenny literally had the worst...in the NFL.

Purdy had superstars at literally every position on offense (ahem...and defense) and also had literally the opposite of Pickett when it came to a play caller and play designer. Purdy had the very best coaching the league had to offer.

You put Brock Purdy in Mike Tomlin and Matt Canada's offense with the skill position players the Steelers had at that time and Purdy is one step below Pickett right now.

Ol' Brock is out of the league.
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Post by K_C_ » Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:39 am

CKSteeler wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:58 am
I'm still firmly in the camp that believes Purdy is going to have a long and successful career.
He might because he's learned so much under Shanny but don't think the Niners haven't noticed how things have gone once most of their incredibly awesome skill position talent hasn't been on the field with Purdy.

it ain't been very "Purdy" to say the least and the Niners sure as fuck are going to make that clear come contract time.

They are heading for a rebuild.
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Post by jebrick » Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:07 pm

TTP wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:23 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:54 pm
Stosh-67 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:38 pm
He was in a perfect situation to excel.

All world RB,
Very good depth at RB
All pro TE
Top WR room with Deebo, Auiyuk, Jennings,
On top of Going WR in Rnd 1

Run Heavy offense,
with great play caller,
surprise plays, gadget plays,
power running.
not predictable

He could of had it all.
He's going to get paid, will continue to be great... just not their year. You guys are delusional or wishful that he'll fulfill your naysaying if you can't see he's a really good QB.
This. Purdy was terrible last night but has been good (not great) overall this year.
Purdy just has a harder time putting the team on his shoulders but he is still pretty good.
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Post by Stlcrtn1974 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 5:15 pm

"Joe Montana would not have won 4 SBs in Pittsburgh in the 80s had he played here vs the cast he had in SF. "



That's an interesting assumption. If Pittsburgh drafted Montana in 79, he sits behind Bradshaw for 3 years then becomes the started in 83 instead of Cliff. The Steelers beat the 49ers in 84, lost the afc championship game to Miami but with Montana would they of lost.

Maybe Montana doesn't win 4 Super Bowls in Pittsburgh but most likely wins 2, 1984 and 1989. Who knows the trajectory of drafting him would of been. Maybe he wins 5 and Noll would of had 9 Super Bowls.

Alot of what ifs, but still fun to think about.
I'm still trying to figure out how the 49ers had the Steelers pick in the 3rd round in 79 to draft Montana.

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Post by Gonzo » Sat Dec 14, 2024 5:41 pm

Kenny Pickett sucked
Still sucks
Was drafted too high
And all but a few knew it’s was a bad pick and that he wasn’t good

Purdy
Does not suck
Had had major success
Was drafted too low
And all but a few know he may not be Joe Montana but he is a good QB

The 49ers have huge problems this year and are imploding
Not Purdys fault
Not sure any QB could elevate their current mess
Maybe Kenny Pickett

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Post by jmacinwbp » Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:13 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 5:41 pm
Kenny Pickett sucked
Still sucks
Was drafted too high
And all but a few knew it’s was a bad pick and that he wasn’t good

Purdy
Does not suck
Had had major success
Was drafted too low
And all but a few know he may not be Joe Montana but he is a good QB

The 49ers have huge problems this year and are imploding
Not Purdys fault

Not sure any QB could elevate their current mess
Maybe Kenny Pickett
Purdy's middling to bad play, has been a major factor in almost every loss SF has had this year, if you weren't able to watch many of their losses, just review the box scores, and play by play of each series in the espn game casts for them; so I disagree that he hasn't been a key part of their implosion this season.

I was balls deep in the Purdy debate when "Lil 👐, smaller 💛" was our starting Qb. I said it then, and will repeat it now, it was obvious to everyone that Purdy's numbers & processing of reads were much better than Pickett when they were both starting QBs. I'm also confident that given his very tiny, and yellow heart, Pickett isn't ever going to be much of a leader, or ever come close to accomplishing what Purdy did in those two years.

Purdy was a steal for SF at the Mr. Irrelevant pick, has far exceeded expectations for that slot in the draft, and might be the best selection ever as Mr. Irrelevant; but what I found ridiculous, and objected to, at that time, was the over the top comps being thrown out for Purdy. Things like:

- BradyEsque
- Better than ARodgers or Lamar in their MVP seasons
- Could match Joe M. level of success

These comps were being thrown out based on less than 1.5 seasons of being the QB on the most talented (& healthiest) team in the NFL at virtually every position on O (except QB), having a top 5 D, and one of the top Offensive minds guiding his squad. KC hit the perfect comp for his ceiling, Chad Pennington. If he was in the same situation as Purdy, my guess is he excels about as well.

Purdy is never going to be a Franchise QB in the league, just doesn't have enough arm strength or overall talent to elevate the team consistently to wins when things begin to fall apart around him. There were flashes of this during SFs great run of health, (the Cleveland game, and a couple others), and now that SFs time of being in the upper end of variance WRT health has ended, it's pretty obvious he's not an upper echelon type QB, or deserving of a $50 million+/year, $150M+ guaranteed franchise QB.

I hope Shannahan & that prick Lynch (how'd dangling him, and then holding onto Aiyuk till the end work out for ya buddy??) end up giving Purdy that type of guaranteed contract , then SF will be almost identical to the Stains WRT being salary cap strapped to franchise QB level of guaranteed $$$, while at the same time having a previously strong core group aging out/falling off a cliff.

After reviewing SF's current roster, even with the injuries, I'm still not convinced what they have left on O & D aren't more talented than what Pittsburgh had playing in 2022-2023.

Remember,in that span, Watt missed most of one season, Minkah missed a lot of time with various injuries, the ILB crew were mostly a buch of low talent JAGs who couldn't stay healthy,and CamH was out for most of a season. Not too mention Naj was running with a plate in his shoe for 3/4 of a season, Clank missed more than half a season, and Pittsburgh probably had the worst starting C in the NFL with Cole. Also, does anyone on this forum have any doubt that "the fraud" was by far the worst Offensive Coordinator during that span?

Not bringing up the talent level disparities to qualify Pickett as a being as good as, or potentially a better QB than Purdy, but instead to make a comparison of the HCs, and how they're able to adapt without losing their team when things don't go as you planned it out at the beginning of the season.

There's no doubt the SF HC runs circles around Pittsburgh's when talking about offensive X's/O's/game plans, but as an overall HC, Tomlin might be better than Shannahan, even with all his Offensive brilliance, and Tomlin's in game decision dumb fuckery. We'll see if Tomlin is able to get a PO win or two this year to help back up this statement. If he doesn't, then even the most favorable Hard knocks coverage during the rest of the regular season won't be enough to remove the stench of the last seven years of PO ineptitude.

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Post by Gonzo » Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:34 pm

I specifically said he is a good QB
He is a good fit for that team and coach
I don’t know yet what his long term contract worth is
I made a simple comment …. I have watched several of their games this year and agree he has bad moments.
But I don’t think those bad moments are indicative especially considering the situation.
I agree how they played the aiyuk thing was dumb and some of this trouble is of their own making

My main point was Purdy can winning is league and Pickett couldn’t

As for Tomlin …. I remain ever hopeful but we will see come the playoffs if we are all dead Indians again in his cowboy movie

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Post by .Kodiak » Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:47 pm

I realize stats don't always tell the whole story, but 65% completions, 8.4 YPA, 15 TD and 9 INTs with a 94 rating is hardly elite but still solid numbers.

Tough decision for SF. They have to extend him, but at what price? Somewhat unique question as you know he can play at a high level with talent around him. But is this just a down year, or is he not capable of elevating the talent he'd have around him when he's paid $40M+?

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Post by K_C_ » Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:10 pm

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Gonzo wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:34 pm
I specifically said he is a good QB
He is a good fit for that team and coach
I don’t know yet what his long term contract worth is
I made a simple comment …. I have watched several of their games this year and agree he has bad moments.
But I don’t think those bad moments are indicative especially considering the situation.
I agree how they played the aiyuk thing was dumb and some of this trouble is of their own making

My main point was Purdy can winning is league and Pickett couldn’t

As for Tomlin …. I remain ever hopeful but we will see come the playoffs if we are all dead Indians again in his cowboy movie
I think Purdy is an outstanding decision maker. He’s basically a really good point guard/distributor.

He also has some physical limitations that are glaring when he has pretty ordinary offensive talent around him. Purdy is small, has decent mobility and a decent arm.

These limitations are why Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant. Dude was lucky he landed in San Fran when he did. It was the perfect storm.

San Fran had such incredible talent on both sides of the ball, especially at the skill positions on offense, they just needed a smart QB who didn’t make dumb mistakes and simply distributed the ball to the right weapon on time and Purdy was the perfect QB for that team.

Add to that once again that Purdy had brilliant coaching and he absorbed Shanahan’s knowledge like a sponge.

Purdy has played great so far, no question about that but the future is going to get very interesting for him.
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Post by jmacinwbp » Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:33 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:34 pm
I specifically said he is a good QB
He is a good fit for that team and coach

I don’t know yet what his long term contract worth is
I made a simple comment …. I have watched several of their games this year and agree he has bad moments.
But I don’t think those bad moments are indicative especially considering the situation.
I agree how they played the aiyuk thing was dumb and some of this trouble is of their own making

My main point was Purdy can winning is league and Pickett couldn’t

As for Tomlin …. I remain ever hopeful but we will see come the playoffs if we are all dead Indians again in his cowboy movie
Gonzo, it may not have come across, but I think you're at the most reasonable position WRT Purdy and his overall level of QB.

The first part of my post was directed at the bold/italicized portion of yours.

The rest was sort of a rambling on the rest of the comments in this thread, with a little taste of Tomlin in there at the end, since he's always such an interesting topic to bring up with the group on this forum.

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Post by 955876 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:47 pm

You put Brock Purdy in Mike Tomlin and Matt Canada's offense with the skill position players the Steelers had at that time and Purdy is one step below Pickett right now.
That is merely your opinion and not based on anything but your hurt feeling over Pickett

I think it’s a given that Shannahan’s offense is more complicated than the one Jibbs & Canada ran.

And yet KP was still slow to process and then pull the trigger.

Often times missing open receivers.

Purdy processes faster. So he might see the plays that KP was missing and get the ball out.

To discount that is being a huge homer with some weird obsession where KP must be better than Purdy.

He isn’t.

All of that can be true while still recognizing Purdy had a better cast.

But then, several QBs had that same cast in SF and didn’t get the results Purdy did.

It’s a complete assumption on your part that Purdy would be worse than Pickett in our offense while Pickett would be just as good or better in SF’s. To make that assumption is to completely disregard how much better Purdy is at reading the defense and then getting the ball out on time.

One has to wonder why all those weapons did nothing to help Trey Lance run that offense.

It’s ok to admit you were wrong bout Pickett. It won’t hurt you.
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Post by K_C_ » Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:04 pm

955876 wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:47 pm
You put Brock Purdy in Mike Tomlin and Matt Canada's offense with the skill position players the Steelers had at that time and Purdy is one step below Pickett right now.
That is merely your opinion and not based on anything but your hurt feeling over Pickett

I think it’s a given that Shannahan’s offense is more complicated than the one Jibbs & Canada ran.

And yet KP was still slow to process and then pull the trigger.

Often times missing open receivers.

Purdy processes faster. So he might see the plays that KP was missing and get the ball out.

To discount that is being a huge homer with some weird obsession where KP must be better than Purdy.

He isn’t.

All of that can be true while still recognizing Purdy had a better cast.

But then, several QBs had that same cast in SF and didn’t get the results Purdy did.

It’s a complete assumption on your part that Purdy would be worse than Pickett in our offense while Pickett would be just as good or better in SF’s. To make that assumption is to completely disregard how much better Purdy is at reading the defense and then getting the ball out on time.

One has to wonder why all those weapons did nothing to help Trey Lance run that offense.

It’s ok to admit you were wrong bout Pickett. It won’t hurt you.
:lol:

I didn’t want Kenny Pickett. I wanted Malik Willis.

Kenny Pickett was a first round QB so you’re damn straight I wanted Pickett to succeed in Pittsburgh and rooted for him like any fan with a working brain would. A first rounder is a large investment for any team and for the final time, Pickett had a subpar supporting cast (especially on the o-line, and :lol: Diontae Johnson was his #1 receiver) and Matt Canada was the OC for all but 2 games of Pickett’s brief Steelers career.

Purdy was Mr, Irrelevant for a reason but fell into the perfect situation. Ol’ Brock had a brilliant head coach and superstars surrounding him at literally position on the field. Props to Purdy for taking advantage of the situation and doing what he did best in college: distributing the ball like a point guard.

I’m much more disappointed in Pickett’s unnecessarily elitist attitude at the end of his career with the Steelers than I was with his actual play on the field. I think he could have developed into a good NFL QB after Canada was gone and with Arthur Smith as his OC. Ain’t no motherfucker developing or succeeding under Matt Canada with the underwhelming supporting cast Pickett was given and that includes Brock Purdy.

So now, Brock is headed into a contract year with all the superstar talent around him completely falling apart. Getting old and falling apart. Sure is gonna be fun to see how he responds and what kind of contract Purdy earns at the end of the season but I sure hope it’s a huge one with lots and lots of guaranteed money.

I think I’ve made my position on this subject pretty clear to you. Have a wonderful holiday season.
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